Criticism of Jews as a Collective (Not Just as Individuals) is Ethical and Warranted

[Eye of Zyclone]

+1 Zyclone

I tried making similar points way back on page 1 of this thread but these morons never listen.

Thanks, HansHill.

They're not here to listen. They're here to prevent others from hearing it.

[Nessie]

A favourite of so-called revisionists, is the alleged collective Jewish boycott of Germany in the 1930s

So jews can't be regarded as an aggressive collective when some Zionist agitators led an international boycott of the 3rd Reich in the name of jews, but they must be regarded as an aggressed collective threatened by dangerous antisemites to be silenced & neutralized at all costs when some pro-Palestinian activists (like those of the BDS movement) tried to start an international boycott of the state of Israel. Heads, I win. Tails, you lose. What's the Hebrew word for "blatant double standards" ? Yehudi ???

Only the Jews, who advocated the boycott, can be regarded as a collective. A boycott of Israel does not apply to all Jews, so it is not collective action, either.

Someone who approves of the boycott of Nazi Germany, but is against a boycott of Israel, or vice versa, does not necessarily have double standards.

[Nessie]

Which means that it is wrong to attribute anything to Jews as a collective, so criticism of them is not warranted or ethical.

By your logic, there would be no reason for any law enforcement to discriminate against members of the Mexican drug cartel, not even for drug-related investigations.

No, by my logic, it would be reasonable to discriminate against Mexican drugs cartels, and it would not be reasonable to discriminate against Mexicans with no cartel links, because of the cartels.

I do not believe that anything approaching an academic, fair, research study has gone into determining that Jews are a strong collective, compared to other collectives.

The widespread existence of Jewish federations, alone (with larger, consolidating organizations), is conclusive evidence of this (unless you care to list which other religious ethnicities have a comparable system). Remember, we are not talking about religious institutions like churches/synagogues.

Which is an example of your flawed investigation. If you only look for what you want to find, you have confirmation bias. Cherry-picking evidence is a common flaw with so-called revisionists. If I applied your method to other groups, then I would find the same result as you, that they appear to have more widespread organisations than others. Why exclude other religions?

The Jewish federations serve an entirely different purpose, explicitly dedicated to empowerment of the Jewish collective and its effective organizing:

That pretty much describes all collectives.

The Jewish Federations of North America, formerly the United Jewish Communities, is an American Jewish umbrella organization for the Jewish Federations system, representing over 350 independent Jewish communities across North America that raise and distribute over $2 billion annually, including through planned giving and endowment programs, to support social welfare, social services and educational needs. Jewish Federations also provides fundraising, organization assistance, training, and overall leadership to the Jewish Federations and communities throughout the United States and Canada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Fe ... th_America

The Jewish Federations of North America (JFNA) represents 146 Jewish Federations and over 300 Network communities, which raise and distribute more than $3 billion annually...
We build flourishing Jewish communities that are healthy, safe, caring, welcoming and inclusive, educated and engaged, active in civil society, and connected to Israel and global Jewry.
[...]
We are the glue that bonds Jewish people and communities, globally connecting individuals and groups to each other, Israel, and over 70 countries worldwide.

https://www.jewishfederations.org/
https://www.jewishfederations.org/our-w ... ommunities

It isn't just North America, it's global:

The Zionist Federation UK, also known as the British Zionist Federation or simply the Zionist Federation (ZF), is an affiliate of the World Zionist Organisation and represents more than 15 organisations and over 30,000 affiliated members. Established in 1899...
https://www.zionist-federation.uk/about

The Board of Deputies of British Jews is the voice of the British Jewish Community, the first port of call for the Government, the media and others seeking to understand Jewish community interests and concerns.

The Board of Deputies is the only democratically elected, cross-communal, representative body in the Jewish community. It comprises over 300 deputies directly elected by the synagogues and communal organisations they represent, from congregations to youth movements, and social welfare charities to regional councils.
https://bod.org.uk/who-we-are/

Especially troubling is the extensive reach of Chabad networks (extremist ultra-orthodox Judaism):

Chabad now operates in record 86 countries
Total number of Chabad shluchim [married couples assigned by the centralized Chabad system to establish Jewish-Chabad organizations] is 4,325, in about 3,500 Chabad Houses [community organizational centers] and other Jewish institutions.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/202809

It isn't just about how widespread and numerous these organizations are, either. It's about how well-consolidated they are; as in, they are all connected (this is a coalition of the largest Jewish organizations in the USA):

The proven and effective voice of organized American Jewry for more than half a century, the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations works publicly and behind the scenes to advance the interests of the American Jewish community, sustain broad-based support for Israel and addresses the critical concerns facing world Jewry with US and world leaders, key opinion molders and the public.

The Conference of Presidents is the preeminent forum for diverse segments of the Jewish community to come together in mutual respect to deliberate vital national and international issues, set policy and priorities, deliberate proactive strategies and take collective action.

The Conference is at the vanguard of engaging America’s leaders and the public to:

• advance the U.S.-Israel special relationship, bolster Israel’s security and prosperity and promote prospects for true and lasting peace in the Middle East;
• reinforce links between Jews worldwide, aid endangered Jewish communities and fight anti-Semitism;
• combat terrorism at home and abroad, strengthen domestic security and safeguard American Jewish institutions;
• build support at the United Nations and end the anti-Israel bias;
• defend human rights of Jews and others and build ties to Arab and Muslim countries;
• build cooperation and coalitions with diverse ethnic, religious and civic groups and other sectors of American society;
• foster international cooperation and promote U.S. national interests.

https://conferenceofpresidents.org/about/

Alpha Epsilon Pi
American Friends of Likud
American Israel Public Affairs Committee
American Jewish Committee
American Jewish Congress
American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee
American Sephardi Federation
American Zionist Movement
AMIT
Anti-Defamation League
Association of Reform Zionists of America
B’nai B’rith International
BZ Media
Central Conference of American Rabbis
Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America
Emunah of America
Friends of Israel Defense Forces
Greater Miami Jewish Federation
Hadassah, Women’s Zionist Organization of America
HIAS – The Jewish Organization for Refugees
Hillel: The Foundation for Jewish Campus Life
Iranian American Jewish Federation
Israeli American Council
JCC Association of North America
Jewish Council for Public Affairs
Jewish Federations of North America
Jewish Institute for National Security of America
Jewish Labor Committee
Jewish National Fund
Jewish United Fund/ Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago
Jewish Women International
MERCAZ USA, The Zionist Organization of the Conservative Movement
NA’AMAT USA
National Council of Jewish Women
National Council of Young Israel
NCSEJ: National Coalition Supporting Eurasian Jewry
New Jewish Narrative
ORT America
Rabbinical Assembly
Rabbinical Council of America
Religious Zionists of America
UJA Federation of New York
Union for Reform Judaism
Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America
United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
Women of Reform Judaism
Women’s International Zionist Organization
Women’s League for Conservative Judaism
World Zionist Organization
Zionist Organization of America
Cantors Assembly
Development Corporation for Israel / State of Israel Bonds
Maccabi USA

https://conferenceofpresidents.org/memb ... nizations/

Yikes.

Add that to their [dis]proportionate over-representation in key institutions (especially media, which is paramount in any democracy) and the Zionist leanings overwhelmingly common among that representation, and we are already in 100% proof territory.

Cry harder, Nessie.

Now do that for other religions and political groupings. How many organisations support the RC Church? How many organisations support the Republicans?

[Nessie]

+1 Zyclone

I tried making similar points way back on page 1 of this thread but these morons never listen.

Thanks, HansHill.

They're not here to listen. They're here to prevent others from hearing it.

The main thing I do here, is point out the flaws in the ways so-called revisionists investigate. Here, they are cherry-picking.