Holocaust Revisionism vs. Flat-Earth Theory

[ConfusedJew]

You have no answer.

I've asked this straight forward question a million times and you can't even provide the appearance of a response.

I'm impressed with the creative stories that you have manufactured elsewhere but very unimpressed that you can't even come up with something for this one.

[Callafangers]

You have no answer.

I've asked this straight forward question a million times and you can't even provide the appearance of a response.

I'm impressed with the creative stories that you have manufactured elsewhere but very unimpressed that you can't even come up with something for this one.

I've given my position: you are making arguments that revisionists have eviscerated by now, which you would not know, because you are not actually learning anything nor making any effort toward productive debate.

I've given you the opportunity to introduce a new idea -- "ConfusedJew, simply explain why you find this data to be evidence of '6 million'" -- but you have not done this, you have evaded.

You are unable to produce your own, original insights, simply because you do not know at all what you are talking about, which is why we keep finding your copy-paste rather than anything resembling a unique or intelligent thought.

In short, you suck. Go away.

[ConfusedJew]

You can't answer and you just try to declare victory in this small echo chamber.

If you've really "eviscerated" anything, you should be able to explain in 4 sentences how to account for the 6 million Jews that went missing.

Let's see you make an attempt at even 2 million.

If I went on a Flat Earth forum, they would complain that I haven't done enough research on flat earth science and then similarly dismiss me when I ask them about the videos and photos from space.

[Wahrheitssucher]

There apparently credible documented cases of infants being murdered by being thrown out of windows during ghetto liquidations.

Oh, really. And skewered on rifle bayonets?

Well then produce an “apparently” credible reference for one.

Don’t just uncritically believe like some brain-dead ‘believer’. Do some “actual” critical “research”.

BOTTOM LINE:
This holyH ‘survivor’ NEVER witnessed that. He was repeating a ‘story’ AS IF he’d witnessed it to impressionable school kids. If YOU can’t understand the implications of that system of historiography then you are as impervious to reason as the most dimwitted, gullible flat-earther.

[Wahrheitssucher]

I don't understand what you are asking.

If the Holocaust was fake…

For the umpteenth time, no serious revisionist is arguing that EVERYTHING that comes under the rubric of ‘the holocaust’ is “fake”.

That you can’t understand this extremely simple and key point proves yet again that it IS you and those like you who are impervious to reason, just like flat-earthers.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Yad Vashem has names of many millions that were murdered by the way just probably not 100%.

…I don't care about the central database, you can't explain where 10% of the missing people went from the census report, let alone 6 million.

It isn’t 6 million missing people, CJ.

Did you really think we are debating the fate of six million missing people? (Holy moly!)

You do know that the Log books recording arrivals, departures and deaths of inmates at Auschwitz, Monowitz, Birkenau and Oranienburg concentration camps were taken by the Soviets and since Gorbachov’s glasnost have been made available to historians?

https://portal.ehri-project.eu/units/us ... -irn503408

Here, if you want to “do some actual research”: https://www.familysearch.org/en/search/catalog/760505

[Nessie]

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SUMMARY:
The problem is that CJ and other true and faithful ‘believers’ don’t understand how to do open-ended, critical research.

Wrong, it is the other way around. It is so-called revisionists who do not know how to research, primarily due to their lack of training. The few with training, who support the commonly titled Holocaust denial and promote it themselves, do so because despite their training, they have fallen into a conspiracy rabbit hole and for the denial agenda. Just because someone is trained to investigate, does not therefore mean they will use that training correctly.

They just believe and insist everyone else does too. It’s cultish behaviour. They don’t need facts and evidence. They need exit-counselling.

That is a bare-faced lie. Historians etc need facts and evidence and as a result they can evidence what happened. So-called revisionists cannot evidence what happened, but they still believe what they cannot evidence.

[Callafangers]

Wrong, it is the other way around. It is so-called revisionists who do not know how to research, primarily due to their lack of training. The few with training, who support the commonly titled Holocaust denial and promote it themselves, do so because despite their training, they have fallen into a conspiracy rabbit hole and for the denial agenda. Just because someone is trained to investigate, does not therefore mean they will use that training correctly.

You preach about training and yet it seems to do you (and anyone else) no favors. Gee, I wonder what extreme religious leaders would say about why it is you don't follow or lead in their cult... I'm willing to bet they'll point out your "lack of training".

The fact of the Holocaust industry and ideologues censoring and silencing their opposition slams in the face of your claim to its intellectual or academic rigor or authority. It's really that simple, open and shut. Good luck explaining the 'pristine authority' of your thought leaders while acknowledging this embarrassing fact alone.

That is a bare-faced lie. Historians etc need facts and evidence and as a result they can evidence what happened. So-called revisionists cannot evidence what happened, but they still believe what they cannot evidence.

Yes, and Soviet-obtained records and statements are 'facts' until proven otherwise. Very brilliant, Nessie. I suppose with enough 'training', I could believe it, too.

On second thought, no, I'd prefer to follow reason and vetted evidence, rather than to blindly trust the people shoving a narrative down the throats of children with shock-propaganda and disgusting 'shit-diamond tales', speeches, and movies. Emotional manipulation doesn't exactly scream "fact-forward", IMO.

[HansHill]

Fellas - is there any particular reason why I'm not looking a list of 6 million murder victims' names today after having asked for it yesterday?

I was told this was clear based on the census records.

[Stubble]

Fellas - is there any particular reason why I'm not looking a list of 6 million murder victims' names today after having asked for it yesterday?

I was told this was clear based on the census records.

I think CJ is gonna have to take that up with Hilberg...

Unless, he apparently, knows better.

Yad vashim and the UHMM as well.

I think the 'Ghetto Fighters' museum claims 6,000,000 though.

[Nessie]

Wrong, it is the other way around. It is so-called revisionists who do not know how to research, primarily due to their lack of training. The few with training, who support the commonly titled Holocaust denial and promote it themselves, do so because despite their training, they have fallen into a conspiracy rabbit hole and for the denial agenda. Just because someone is trained to investigate, does not therefore mean they will use that training correctly.

You preach about training and yet it seems to do you (and anyone else) no favors. Gee, I wonder what extreme religious leaders would say about why it is you don't follow or lead in their cult... I'm willing to bet they'll point out your "lack of training".

The fact of the Holocaust industry and ideologues censoring and silencing their opposition slams in the face of your claim to its intellectual or academic rigor or authority. It's really that simple, open and shut. Good luck explaining the 'pristine authority' of your thought leaders while acknowledging this embarrassing fact alone.

If some at your work, arrives with no training and then tells you that you are all doing it wrong and they know right, what is your attitude towards them? You would in effect, shut them down. If some at your work, who has the training, but then decides that the training is all wrong and you were now mistaken, what would you do? You would in effect shut them down.

Whether it is you, or Germar Rudolf, unless you can prove that the normal method of gathering evidence to establish a chronology of events, is wrong and that your method of doubting the evidence and failing to prove what did happen, is right, then you will both be in effect, shut down.

That is a bare-faced lie. Historians etc need facts and evidence and as a result they can evidence what happened. So-called revisionists cannot evidence what happened, but they still believe what they cannot evidence.

Yes, and Soviet-obtained records and statements are 'facts' until proven otherwise. Very brilliant, Nessie. I suppose with enough 'training', I could believe it, too.

Most of the evidence is from Nazi, not Soviet sources. Most of the statements were made to western sources, as the Nazis avoided being captured by the Soviets. The Soviets were not interested in the Holocaust, but you attribute them as the being main source of the narrative. You do that, because even you cannot believe a conspiracy to fool the world, that has been organised and run by the Polish! But it was the Poles who drove the original narrative and did much of the post war evidence gathering, surveying the camp sites and obtaining witness statements.

On second thought, no, I'd prefer to follow reason and vetted evidence, rather than to blindly trust the people shoving a narrative down the throats of children with shock-propaganda and disgusting 'shit-diamond tales', speeches, and movies. Emotional manipulation doesn't exactly scream "fact-forward", IMO.

When so-called revisionists do that, their claims are so poorly evidenced, that they do not even gain much support amongst fellow revisionists. You fail to evidence what did happen, and millions of Jews liberated in 1945.

[Nessie]

Fellas - is there any particular reason why I'm not looking a list of 6 million murder victims' names today after having asked for it yesterday?

I was told this was clear based on the census records.

Why have you failed to provide me with the names of millions of Jews, arrested by the Nazis 1939-45, and liberated in 1945, that I asked for yesterday?

[ConfusedJew]

This is pathetic.

I'm not getting anything here.

This is open ended research. Why did the census counts drop by 6 million? Why using other independent methods did people get to about 6 million?

The best answer that I've heard is that they resettled in the Soviet Union which is a terrible answer because it's obviously not true. But at least it was an answer.

They must not actually believe what they are saying.

[Archie]

This is pathetic.

I'm not getting anything here.

This is open ended research. Why did the census counts drop by 6 million? Why using other independent methods did people get to about 6 million?

The best answer that I've heard is that they resettled in the Soviet Union which is a terrible answer because it's obviously not true. But at least it was an answer.

They must not actually believe what they are saying.

Because the stats are bogus.

Jews were using the six million number before the war was even over. It is a demonstrably false number.

[HansHill]

The census figures clearly show 6 million murder victims. This is evidence of murder. Right?

So cough up Confused Jew. Your census figures must show 4 million murders in Auschwitz if they are taken in the 4 decades post war.

4 million Auschwitz victims CJ, along with 2 million more in the other camps + shootings + ghettos. You obviously know best, and it's so blatantly clear to you. Tick tock. You don't want this to take TWO days, do you?