Holocaust Revisionism vs. Flat-Earth Theory

[Stubble]

Has anybody here done any field research by visiting sites or archives or even been to a Holocaust museum?

Yes.

[Callafangers]

That's not how it worked. After the war, there were seriously organized efforts to locate missing relatives and people. There were displaced person camps, survivor registries, and well known organizations that helped survivors search for family members. The American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (JDC), the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS), and the Red Cross were some of those.

The Arolsen Archives (formerly known as the International Tracing Service) are the world’s largest archive on Nazi persecution, forced labor, and the Holocaust. They hold millions of documents about the fate of people persecuted by the Nazis, and for decades their central mission was to help survivors and families trace missing relatives.

I'm starting to see that you guys are worse than Flat Earthers. The mid 20th century was not the Stone Age and a few decades later really heavy duty technology was developed to fill in the gaps of the few survivors that slipped through the cracks.

I seriously recommend that you guys do some actual research, go visit a Holocaust museum, talk to a Holocaust survivor, go visit the camps and archives. You have been clearly stuck in your basements and haven't even ventured out of this tiny echo chamber.

Gee, how convenient that you only use AI tools to 'debunk' revisionists... it's almost like you're not interested in truth or learning and are acting on other motives:

Limited Organizational Reach
Tracing services (e.g., Red Cross, UNRRA, Jewish Agency) focused on DP camps and major urban centers. Survivors who fled directly to small communities, rural areas, or overseas often had no exposure to these systems.

Uneven Geographic Coverage
Archives like the International Tracing Service were more complete for Western Europe; records from Eastern Europe and hidden populations were sparse or absent.

Communication Barriers
Postwar postal and telephone networks were disrupted, and many survivors didn’t even know such services existed, limiting participation.

Incomplete Registrations
Efforts like the Pinkas HaNitzolim survivor lists or radio broadcasts reached many—but only those who proactively submitted details or happened to tune in. Survivors who never registered remained invisible.

Name Changes and Identity Shifts
Many survivors changed names after migration (to assimilate or start anew), making matching with earlier records difficult.

Hidden Children & Assimilation
Children hidden with non-Jewish families often did not come forward or resisted reunification, leaving them outside official records.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Even if I took your personal story seriously, losing your family does not equate to "they were gassed".
You lost them. People lose each other sometimes, especially in war-torn continents where all of them disperse to dozens of different countries, none of which have effective means of tracking or communicating with one another using early-mid 20th century technology.

If I lose my keys, I might tell people a dragon ate them... the fact that they are lost is true, and the dragon is bullshit.

I seriously recommend that you guys do some actual research,…

Oh really! What a novel idea.
How should we do this “actual research”, oh vastly knowledgeable and studiously erudite one?

…go visit a Holocaust museum,
talk to a Holocaust survivor,
go visit the camps...

Has anybody here done any field research by visiting… a Holocaust museum?

This just get’s funnier and funnier.
So who knew? CJ insists that visiting a quasi-religious centre of HolyH belief — a HolyH museum —is for CJ not just definitely doing “actual research”. He thinks it is doing “field research”.
Wow!

‘ACTUAL RESEARCH’
Imagine a person born into the Roman Catholic Church having doubts about the infallibility of the Pope being told by a true-believer: “do some actual research — visit a cathedral, talk to a Cardinal, go read the Bible”.
Yeah, sure. That’s going to help get an impartial, objective, rigorously empirical understanding!

That’s in effect what CJ is doing.
He's a true believer.
For a true-believing Roman Catholic, all doubters are going to hell for doubting.
For a HolyH believer, we are all “deranged anti-semites” for disbelieving.

PERSONAL ANECDOTE — TALKING TO A ‘SURVIVOR’
About a decade ago I attended a lecture by a HolyH survivor.
He gave an emotionally manipulative presentation with some non-credible stories and ended with a blatant untruth.
After, when he invited questions, I waited till there were no more then asked him a pertinent question from the audience. He dug a big hole for himself in his answer and the convenor (a family friend of mine) ended the talk to avoid him further embarrassing himself.

I helped rearrange the auditorium afterwards.
When nearly everyone had left — besides myself, the convenor, the ‘survivor’-speaker and a few others — I engaged with him in conversation. This was in a Northern European country and we weren’t speaking in English.
I was friendly and polite.
After making some respectful and genuine introductory small-talk I asked him why he had said that Robert Faurisson denied his cousin ever existed [his cousin didn’t survive WW2]. He looked perplexed. I continued: “you must know that is not what he is arguing?”
His response was to turn 180° degrees so that he had his back to me.
I wasn’t sure what he was doing and thought he was looking to see if there were any other people still remaining or something. There weren’t. Yet he remained like that.

I was new to investigating the holocaust history. I thought as a seasoned speaker (he regularly does a circuit) I was hoping he perhaps would be able to clarify some questions and doubts I had. He clearly couldn’t.
This short interaction convinced me that these people who go around preaching to indoctrinated school-kids are deeply deluded people who crumble if any sort of critical thinking is applied to their emotive, ahistorical, critically-unchallenged mish-mash.

Since that personal interaction I checked up on ALL the HolyH speakers who are presented religiously to school kids in that northern European country as special-suffering ‘survivors’. And lo and behold ALL — without exception — have been shown to be presenting stories that are false in key particulars. It has been an embarrassment to the HolyH industry there.

This guy spoke of babies being thrown out of upper-floor hospital windows and skewered on rifle bayonets by Nazties down below. He talked a great deal of stuff he’d not personally witnessed but as ‘survivor’ we weren't expected to dare question him on any of it.
It was a real eye-opener.

This is how CJ’s sacrosanct belief-system is propagated: by emotionally manipulative atrocity stories told to impressionable school kids by deluded people.
When I related this interaction on RODOH years ago, the jewish participants were outraged that I had DARED to question a ‘survivor’. For them that was a sacrilege.

SUMMARY:
The problem is that CJ and other true and faithful ‘believers’ don’t understand how to do open-ended, critical research. They just believe and insist everyone else does too. It’s cultish behaviour. They don’t need facts and evidence. They need exit-counselling.

[ConfusedJew]

So since it's so clear to you, and since a census is quite literally a list and tally of people in a location at a time, you are now expected to provide the 6 million names of those murdered. For those murdered in a camp, you are expected to list the camp.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... opulation/

How do you account for the reduction in count? Number of Jews in the Soviet Union fell from 3.4m to 2m after the war and it has fallen much further since.

What's wrong with that statistic if you think that millions of Jews from Germany and Eastern Europe were "resettled" in the USSR?

Yad Vashem has names of many millions that were murdered by the way just probably not 100%.

This is where you guys are clearly Flat Earthers. You can't explain where the people went who were there at the beginning of the war.

[Stubble]

Yad Vashem has names of many millions that were murdered by the way just probably not 100%.

This is where you guys are clearly Flat Earthers. You can't explain where the people went who were there at the beginning of the war.

Part a) see link;

https://codoh.com/library/document/brie ... -of-shoah/

Part b)

Point to 'where they goed' on a map please, any map.

Where are they CJ, 'where did they goed'.

I can't help but notice, you aren't even looking...

[ConfusedJew]

There apparently credible documented cases of infants being murdered by being thrown out of windows during ghetto liquidations.

[ConfusedJew]

Yad Vashem has names of many millions that were murdered by the way just probably not 100%.

This is where you guys are clearly Flat Earthers. You can't explain where the people went who were there at the beginning of the war.

Part a) see link;

https://codoh.com/library/document/brie ... -of-shoah/

Part b)

Point to 'where they goed' on a map please, any map.

Where are they CJ, 'where did they goed'.

I can't help but notice, you aren't even looking...

That childish response suggests that you have no real response. I don't care about the central database, you can't explain where 10% of the missing people went from the census report, let alone 6 million.

[Callafangers]

There apparently credible documented cases of infants being murdered by being thrown out of windows during ghetto liquidations.

"Documented"? Please share your documents with us, ConfusedJew.

[Callafangers]

don't care about the central database, you can't explain where 10% of the missing people went from the census report, let alone 6 million.

Hmm this is like the third or fourth time you've mentioned this census report. How about this: list what you can say for certain about the data in the census report you keep referring to, insofar as how it supports your conclusions. You seem to think this census reflects reality of how many Jews were present before vs. after the war. I challenge you to explain why you think this, because it seems to be a very strong belief (one I would argue is starkly at odds with evidence and reason).

[ConfusedJew]

Why wouldn't that census report be reliable? Do you know how statistical significance works?

You are criticizing me for being persistent about this but I haven't gotten any answers at all from you guys. Not even bad ones!

[Callafangers]

Why wouldn't that census report be reliable? Do you know how statistical significance works?

You are criticizing me for being persistent about this but I haven't gotten any answers at all from you guys. Not even bad ones!

Because people reporting as "Jewish" (or whether census collection even considers this) is highly complex, as are questions of movement, birth rates, etc. It is you who keeps asserting importance to census-related considerations, so I am asking you to justify why you keep doing this. Do you even know what you are talking about?

People also would be less likely to self-report as "Jewish" after a 'Holocaust' and with 'antisemitism' (i.e. consciousness about Jewish collective behavior, sometimes leading to unjustified cruelty or violence) still widely prevailing across Europe post-war. If Jews went as far as changing their names (which they certainly did, in great numbers), they are also going to less often report themselves as "Jewish".

Thus, you need to explain why you feel so confident we are 'missing' that round number of "6 million Jews".

I'm not asking much -- just break down your analysis.

[ConfusedJew]

I don't understand what you are asking.

You can't answer my question so you are trying to flip it back on me.

If the Holocaust was fake, there would be no reason for censuses or Jews to underreport after the fact.

Jewish emigration did happen, and those numbers were only in the hundreds of thousands, less than a million. During the war, large-scale emigration was impossible and we know how many Jews were sent to camps.

Post-war censuses in the U.S., Israel, and elsewhere show some survivors arriving, but nowhere near the millions.

About 3 million Jews were left in Europe after the war. Roughly 250,000–300,000 survivors ended up in Displaced Persons (DP) camps in Germany, Austria, and Italy, under Allied supervision. Jewish relief groups like the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee and HIAS registered them, so we have good numbers.

Between 1945–1948, about 100,000 survivors made it to British-mandate Palestine (often illegally, since Britain restricted immigration.

The US Displaced Persons Act (1948) allowed about 80,000–100,000 Holocaust survivors to immigrate in the late 1940s and early 1950s.

Some survivors resettled in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Britain, often after passing through DP camps. Britain admitted about 50,000 Jewish survivors, including “the Boys” (a group of ~700 orphaned children).

Canada took in about 35,000–40,000 survivors.

Australia admitted ~25,000 survivors.

Argentina, Brazil, and other South American countries accepted tens of thousands more.

Holocaust survivors didn’t all leave Europe, the majority initially stayed, particularly in the USSR, Poland, Romania, and Hungary. Later emigration waves reduced these numbers, but Europe still had millions of Jews immediately after 1945.

[Callafangers]

I don't understand what you are asking.

You can't answer my question so you are trying to flip it back on me.

Your questions are elementary, they have been answered ad nauseum on this forum, the prior forum, Holocaust Handbooks, the Holocaust Encyclopedia, and more. Your question was "Why wouldn't that census report be reliable?" which is ridiculous because you are not even clear about why you find it to be remotely reliable yourself.

If the Holocaust was fake, there would be no reason for censuses or Jews to underreport after the fact.

WTF? Yea, not like Jews benefit from the 'Holocaust'. It isn't like there's a whole book written on this or anything: https://archive.org/details/HolocaustIndustry/

Jewish emigration did happen, and those numbers were only in the hundreds of thousands, less than a million. During the war, large-scale emigration was impossible and we know how many Jews were sent to camps.

Where did you get these figures, ConfusedJew? You are not adding any value, here. Cite your sources or STFU.

Post-war censuses in the U.S., Israel, and elsewhere show some survivors arriving, but nowhere near the millions.

More figures you copy-pasted five minutes ago and have absolutely no understanding of whatsoever. Excellent.

About 3 million Jews were left in Europe after the war. Roughly 250,000–300,000 survivors ended up in Displaced Persons (DP) camps in Germany, Austria, and Italy, under Allied supervision. Jewish relief groups like the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee and HIAS registered them, so we have good numbers.

Yes, it's great that you copied this from your seventh grade textbook. Good job.

Between 1945–1948, about 100,000 survivors made it to British-mandate Palestine (often illegally, since Britain restricted immigration.

The US Displaced Persons Act (1948) allowed about 80,000–100,000 Holocaust survivors to immigrate in the late 1940s and early 1950s.

Some survivors resettled in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Britain, often after passing through DP camps. Britain admitted about 50,000 Jewish survivors, including “the Boys” (a group of ~700 orphaned children).

Canada took in about 35,000–40,000 survivors.

Australia admitted ~25,000 survivors.

Argentina, Brazil, and other South American countries accepted tens of thousands more.

I do enjoy reading Wikipedia from time to time, thank you for sharing and for adding nothing of substance to any debate, ever.

Holocaust survivors didn’t all leave Europe, the majority initially stayed, particularly in the USSR, Poland, Romania, and Hungary. Later emigration waves reduced these numbers, but Europe still had millions of Jews immediately after 1945.

Yes, I understand you're great at copy-pasting, great job, keep it up.

[ConfusedJew]

OK, so fine I take it you can't even so much as criticize the census count.

[Callafangers]

OK, so fine I take it you can't even so much as criticize the census count.

Yes, you understand correctly that I'm not going to "play ball" while you try to keep myself and others occupied with your copy-paste instead of doing more productive revisionist work.