Let's help poor Nesserto develop his rebuttable presumption with a couple simple questions:
I believe, based on the evidence that I have seen, that the remains of no less than _?_ people currently lie within the boundary of the Sobibor camp.
I believe, based on the evidence that I have seen, that no less than _?_ graves (mass and single combined) have been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp.
The only time the actual graves have not been excavated or otherwise dug into, was the 2011 Staffs Uni survey at TII. Every other site survey has dug into the graves and disturbed remains... They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either... There are a lot of photos online of what excavations have found at the site.
Excellent! I can't wait to see the photos that prove Sobibors "well grave" actually exists and what the excavation of the "huge mass grave" discovered.
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
You have been shown the surveys of the camps that identify the areas that were dug up and where large amounts of cremated remains have been found. For example;
"Large amounts of cremated remains have been found" at Sobibor you say?
Just how "large of an amount" was found?
Where was this alleged "large amount of cremated remains" reburied?
Is this additional grave larger or smaller than the one dug (for the same purpose) at Treblinka II?
Let's not forget:
nessie:
The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves.
They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either.
Also nessie:
All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps.
What about the tens and tens of thousands of alleged non-cremated corpses;
Are they still at the AR camps as well - Yes. - or - No. - ??
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
Sobibor, finds of buried cremated remains amongst the trees, where the original mass graves were planted over. The excavations stop as soon as remains are found, to respect the dead.
So now nessie is alleging that the "original" "huge mass graves" of Sobibor weren't the ones that were allegedly dug up and put into the "ash mound, or the ones we see on Kola's map, or the ones we see on Haimi's map, but a brand new set of "original" "huge mass graves" shown above.
Remember what the mentally ill HC cult member roberto (aka - "roberta") Muehlenkamp said about the original big-lie:
It’s not as if the human remains contained in the soil that the "ash mountain" monument was made of had been a spectacular discovery when the monument was built in the 1960s... all known evidence about what happened at Sobibor supports the conclusion that the heap is actually made up of human ashes.
All captioned photos showing this mound of ash, while not necessarily if at all describing it as "huge" or as a "mountain", refer to it as being made up of or containing human ash. Photos of this mound include, without limitation, the photos shown under item IV.2.3 in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p= ... tcount=777 and those shown under the following links:
The aspect of the substance that the mound consists of, which has a light gray coloration different from the light-brown color of the soil at Sobibor (see photos mentioned in answer B.3 above) suggests the accuracy of captions describing this mound as a mound consisting of or containing human ashes...
The conclusion that the mound in question is comprised of human ash is thus the conclusion that is borne out by all known evidence and belied by none.
It is also the conclusion towards which various sources of evidence independent of each other converge. This convergence of various sources of evidence independent of each other, alone or together with the absence of any evidence to the contrary, is proof that the mound in question is comprised of human ash.
The human ashes that the mound at Sobibor is comprised of may have been dug out of one of more of the pits discovered by Prof. Kola in 2001. They were probably brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging, which would mean it is impossible to determine which of the grave pits contained these specific ashes... because it clearly shows what my assumption regarding the origin of the ashes that make up the Sobibor ash mound was: human ashes brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging were collected by the people in charge of the Sobibor memorial site and put together into this ash mound.
nessie:
finds of buried cremated remains amongst the trees, where the original mass graves were planted over.
Also nessie:
The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves.
All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps.
They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either.
The mass graves have not disappeared.
They are still there. I can point to them in the ground.
No matter what the claim is, the burden of proof is on the claimant.
I have never had any issue with accepting the burden of proof.
There is no circumstance in which I reverse the burden of proof.
If you make a claim, it is up to you to prove it. If I make one, it is up to me.
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
