Photographs of Treblinka II's alleged "huge mass graves" and human remains

[Keen]

This thread is the depository.

Photo's only please. Do your "debating" (whatever that means on CODOH) here:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=601

[pilgrimofdark]

These are photos of the excavators at T-II grabbing clumps of bodies from mass graves and putting them in piles to be burned on roasters... or something.

(I didn't add any "irony quotes" to the above, because nearly every single word would be in quotes.)

The building in the first image is supposed to show the "first gas chamber" building, so the location of the cameraman in the camp in relation to any alleged "huge mass graves" could be triangulated from that position.



I colorized the full set of the alleged T-II excavator photos.

[Keen]

These are photos of the excavators at T-II grabbing clumps of bodies from mass graves and putting them in piles to be burned on roasters... or something.

(I didn't add any "irony quotes" to the above, because nearly every single word would be in quotes.)

The building in the first image is supposed to show the "first gas chamber" building, so the location of the cameraman in the camp in relation to any alleged "huge mass graves" could be triangulated from that position.

Thank you pilgrimofdark. And I know you posted those photos with sarcasm, but I don't believe those photos were taken inside the camp.

[pilgrimofdark]

Keen, let me know if you want me to delete that post. This is your research repository, after all. I posted them here because the "official" story is that Franz did take them from inside the camp. Though I agree they weren't.

The first two photos you posted and more from the same shoot are here in higher resolution. One of them is even a wider shot of "Plate 4.10."

I found a few photos of the 1944 Soviet mass grave excavations at the T-I site, too, if those would help.

[Keen]

Keen, let me know if you want me to delete that post. This is your research repository, after all. I posted them here because the "official" story is that Franz did take them from inside the camp. Though I agree they weren't.

The first two photos you posted and more from the same shoot are here in higher resolution. One of them is even a wider shot of "Plate 4.10."

I found a few photos of the 1944 Soviet mass grave excavations at the T-I site, too, if those would help.

No, those photos are fine pilgrimofdark. Thank you for posting them and giving your reason for doing so. I just wanted to make a note about them. Please feel free to post any photos that you think belong here.

Edited to add: Here is the direct link to those photos:

https://collections.yadvashem.org/en/ph ... ter?page=1

925,000 alleged murder victims allegedly buried within the boundary of Treblinka II, and that is all the human remains that they allegedly found during the conctruction of the monument.

And here is photo from that collection titled: "The site of a mass grave."



Thanks again pilgrimofdark.

[Keen]

CSC:

At Treblinka II, for example, candles left by mourners in pits in the wooded areas of the camp alluded to both the fact that the function of such features during the camp's period of operation was perhaps known (or at least thought to be known) and the function these features have acquired as part of the site's postabandonment history (Plate 6.7).

Here is a photo of "huge mass grave" F16. (Plate 6.7 / page 405):



CSC (page 179):

Many features were also recorded in the forested areas of the former Death Camp
(Figure 4.23; Appendix 4.3.7). Although it was not possible to apply geophysical
techniques in these areas, given the obstructions caused by vegetation, walkover
survey, which included an analysis of topographic information and taphonomic
indicators such as vegetation change, did allow level one survey to undertaken in these
areas (English Heritage 2007). This will provide the foundation for further work in the
future. Several excavated pits in the south west corner of the camp correspond to
areas of disturbance visible in post-abandonment aerial images (F24 and F25; Figure
4.23). Further pits exist to the east of these features (F9, F16-18, F20-22) and evidence
of memorialisation, in the form of candles and the placement of stones, was also
observed in these areas. These features likely represent post-war activity.

CSC calls this a "pit"?

Those "candles" look like empty cans to me.

CSC (page 478):

Feature Number - F16
Vegetation change -
Shape in Plan - Oval
Length of feature (in metres) - c .10m
Width of feature (in metres) - c. 9m
Additional Information - Pit. Candles and stones on east edge.

Notice that the fraud didn't give a depth for this slight depression.

And her excuse?

CSC:

it was not possible to apply geophysical techniques in these areas, given the obstructions caused by vegetation

What a joke. How hard would it have been to clear a path large enought to get the GPR unit over to this "pit / possible grave site"? How hard would it have been for 4 people to each grab a corner and just pick the unit up and carry it?

So the fraud calls a slight depression that contains some trash and a few rocks and no human remains what-so-ever, and what she says "likely represents post-war activity" - a "possible grave site."



But the most amazing thing of all is that most "revisionists" still believe that CSC is not a fraud, despite clear and convincing evidence that she is.

By examining each “proven mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

[Wetzelrad]

In another thread, Nessie shared this photo from a tabloid article about "death-camp harvesters". The article admits that nothing is known about the photo's origin.



Nessie also shared a link to this webpage which lists low quality photos. All are said to be from Treblinka. Some include scattered unburnt bones.
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/lasttracks.html

[pilgrimofdark]

These photos are said to have been taken by the Soviets in 1944 at the Treblinka labor camp. Taken from this book.

A photo of the sky above a group of Soviet soyjacks gawking and pointing at "remains of skeletal bones at the burning site."

Not pictured: remains, bones, burning site.

Spoiler

A local peasant/eyewitness roped into digging up... something. His strange testimony is here. Like many early eyewitnesses, he conflates T-I and T-II and gets the chronology completely wrong.

Spoiler

The Soviet soyjacks continue to pose while the peasant digs up... something.

Spoiler

I suspect there's an awful lot of gravel quarry photos that have been passed off as T-II photos.

[Keen]

These photos are said to have been taken by the Soviets in 1944 at the Treblinka labor camp. Taken from this book.

A photo of the sky above a group of Soviet soyjacks gawking and pointing at "remains of skeletal bones at the burning site."

Not pictured: remains, bones, burning site.

Spoiler

A local peasant/eyewitness roped into digging up... something. His strange testimony is here. Like many early eyewitnesses, he conflates T-I and T-II and gets the chronology completely wrong.

Spoiler

The Soviet soyjacks continue to pose while the peasant digs up... something.

Spoiler

I suspect there's an awful lot of gravel quarry photos that have been passed off as T-II photos.

Thank you pilgrimofdark, I hadn't seen those photos before.

[Keen]

925,000 jews, almost the exact number of every man, women and child living in South Dakota, alleged to have been buried in "huge mass graves" at T II, and the only photo of a "grave" that coincides with the the 15 "huge mass graves" numbered in the maps that we can find, is F16.



And how much human remains do we see in this photo class?

But wait, does the remains of a tin man count as human remains?

Hey look, here is proof that F16 contains human remains:

[Keen]

These are the photos submitted by nessie as "proof" that "huge mass graves" have been discovered at Treblinka II (Notice the absence of skulls!):

nessie:

nessie:

Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proves that there are pits and that they exist. But it does not prove that those pits contain human remains.

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nessie:

A mass grave is defined as a grave containing multiple human corpses, or the remains of multiple people.

nessie, how many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

nessie's answer:

12 - G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54.

nessie:

You doubt and deny the evidence I produce.

Impossible claims and verifiably false details do not prove lying.

The evidence TII was a death camp, far exceeds the evidence it had a different function. Only a determined denier, who has lost grip on reality, will pretend that the corroborating evidence from multiple witnesses who describe mass graves, the aerial photo that shows disturbed ground and rectangular outlines and the site surveys that identified disturbed ground and pits in the areas of the camp that the witnesses said contained the mass graves, is not evidence to prove mass graves.

I am both a trained historian and police officer.

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps.

They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either.

Proof, from multiple sources of corroborating evidence, has been produced.

You ignore corroboration. You deny the gathered evidence.

Claiming that multiple pits found by geophysics in the same part of the camp that witnesses state the main mass graves were dug, is not corroborating evidence to prove mass graves, is denial of reality.

The mass graves have not disappeared.

They are still there. I can point to them in the ground.

No matter what the claim is, the burden of proof is on the claimant.

I have never had any issue with accepting the burden of proof.

There is no circumstance in which I reverse the burden of proof.

If you make a claim, it is up to you to prove it. If I make one, it is up to me.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

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Two simple foundational questioins for the mentally ill pathological liar:


#1: When you disingenuously use the word "corroboration", do you mean "confirm" or "support"?

#2: When you disingenuously use the word "prove" in alleging that 12 actual "huge mass graves" have actually been proven to actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp (G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54), which of the following standards of proof are you alleging:

Arranged from lowest to highest, the standards of proof in American law follow a rough hierarchy:

Reasonable suspicion: Enough specific facts to justify a brief police stop, but well short of what’s needed for an arrest or a search warrant.

Probable cause: A fair probability that a crime occurred or evidence will be found, sufficient for an arrest or warrant.

Substantial evidence: Enough that a reasonable person could accept it as adequate, used when courts review agency decisions.

Preponderance of the evidence: More likely than not, the default for most civil lawsuits.

Clear and convincing evidence: Highly probable, reserved for civil matters with serious consequences like fraud claims or termination of parental rights.

Beyond a reasonable doubt: Firm conviction of guilt, required for all criminal convictions.

Absolute certainty: A state of knowledge or proof so complete that there is no possibility of doubt or uncertainty

[Keen]

I cannot show graves.

I cannot physically show you mass graves.

Quote mining is dishonest.

Well then, let's see what you got.

There are 22 so-called "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II.

The original fraudulently alleged 6 - alleged by both Stangl and Wiernik.

The 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" alleged by Colls.

And the additional "huge mass grave" dug by Colls to bury all the fraudulently alleged cremated remains that she found during her "investigation" of Treblinka II. (Watch from the 38:20 mark to the 41:58 mark and from the 1:08:07 mark to the 1:08:40 mark in the following video for details.)