Iran Attack

[Eye of Zyclone]

Wrong!
It was made illegal by creating International laws to that effect in 1945.
So starting a war without just cause (see below) DEFINITELY HAS BEEN agreed to be “ILLEGAL” for the last EIGHT DECADES!

Most adult people know this.
Most know this precisely because we have all been brainwashed since 1945 into believing the ‘good guy’ nations were not guilty of ANY crimes during WW2 but instead fought a ‘just war’.
Plus, most adult people erroneously believe that the Nürnberg show-trials were actually fair and judicial.
These two lies have been firmly established in the minds of billions of people.

You misunderstood my point. My point was that the side that started a war is invariably the side that lost that war because history is just a story made up by the victors to absolve themselves of all blame and justify their postwar domination and dictates. WW2 was caused and therefore started by some Zionist circles in England and the United States, but the defeated Third Reich was nevertheless blamed for starting the Second World War (the War Crimes & Crimes Against Humanity thing was concocted primarily to make Germany's fictive Crimes Against Peace more plausible). Israel and the United States are already distorting the truth to explain why Iran allegedly started this war. This is only a matter of "public relations" (a democratic euphemism for "propaganda") and power, not a matter of facts and truth. Grow up, kid.



In the Nuremberg jargon :

• War Crimes & Crimes Against Humanity = "the satanic"

• Crimes Against Peace = "the guilty"

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Wrong!
It was made illegal by creating International laws to that effect in 1945.
So starting a war without just cause (see below) DEFINITELY HAS BEEN agreed to be “ILLEGAL” for the last EIGHT DECADES!

Most adult people know this.
Most know this precisely because we have all been brainwashed since 1945 into believing the ‘good guy’ nations were not guilty of ANY crimes during WW2 but instead fought a ‘just war’.
Plus, most adult people erroneously believe that the Nürnberg show-trials were actually fair and judicial.
These two lies have been firmly established in the minds of billions of people.

You misunderstood my point. My point was that the side that started a war is invariably the side that lost that war because history is just a story made up by the victors to absolve themselves of all blame and justify their postwar domination and dictates. WW2 was caused and therefore started by some Zionist circles in England and the United States, but the defeated Third Reich was nevertheless blamed for starting the Second World War (the War Crimes & Crimes Against Humanity thing was concocted primarily to make Germany's fictive Crimes Against Peace more plausible). Israel and the United States are already distorting the truth to explain why Iran allegedly started this war.



In the Nuremberg jargon :

• War Crimes & Crimes Against Humanity = "the satanic"

• Crimes Against Peace = "the guilty"

How many years did the painter try to avoid war? With the German blood the Polish were putting into the soil in the corridor during their ethnic cleaning of the lands they stole after ww1, how long should Germany have waited? There reaches a point when one must act.

[Eye of Zyclone]

How many years did the painter try to avoid war? With the German blood the Polish were putting into the soil in the corridor during their ethnic cleaning of the lands they stole after ww1, how long should Germany have waited? There reaches a point when one must act.

It depended on who was going to win that war.

And the answer is :

• more than enough time in the event of a German victory

• "what bloodbath? (muh Nazi propaganda...)" in the event of a Soviet-Allied victory

[Wahrheitssucher]

Wrong!
It was made illegal by creating International laws to that effect in 1945.
So starting a war without just cause (see below) DEFINITELY HAS BEEN agreed to be “ILLEGAL” for the last EIGHT DECADES!

Most adult people know this.
Most know this precisely because we have all been brainwashed since 1945 into believing the ‘good guy’ nations were not guilty of ANY crimes during WW2 but instead fought a ‘just war’.
Plus, most adult people erroneously believe that the Nürnberg show-trials were actually fair and judicial.
These two lies have been firmly established in the minds of billions of people.

You misunderstood my point. My point was that the side that started a war is invariably the side that lost that war because history is just a story made up by the victors to absolve themselves of all blame and justify their postwar domination and dictates.
WW2 was caused and therefore started by some Zionist circles in England and the United States, but the defeated Third Reich was nevertheless blamed for starting the Second World War.

I got your point.

I don’t have any disagreement with any of the above.

I replied to your post because you minimised the point I had made.

The point I wrote about is HUGE in its long-term ramifications.
That point being that collectives of JOOZE have just destroyed the rules-based order.

And I suggested readers should think about that for a moment!

They have just openly destroyed a global system that had supposedly outlawed centuries of ‘law-of-the-jungle’ based upon ‘might is right’.

They’ve just proudly destroyed a system of international ‘law’ that took centuries to build and only fairly recently got ratified by all countries worldwide.

Jewish collectives just destroyed that.
This is HUGE!

You argued that THAT point was “just an illusion” as in your view “starting a war has never been illegal”.

That is demonstrably false.

…Israel and the United States are already distorting the truth to explain why Iran allegedly started this war.

I don’t think we are in the same conversation.

I’m discussing: a.) international law; b.) its extremely recent history; and c.) a collective united by their self-identification as belonging to an imaginary tribe, who have just destroyed it and the ‘rules based global order’ in just two years.

[Eye of Zyclone]

I got your point.

I don’t have any disagreement with any of the above.

I replied to your post because you minimised the point I had made.

The point I wrote about is HUGE in its long-term ramifications.
That point being that collectives of JOOZE have just destroyed the rules-based order.

And I suggested readers should think about that for a moment!

You argued that THAT point was “just an illusion” as in your view “starting a war has never been illegal”.

That is demonstrably false.

I don’t think we are in the same conversation.

I’m discussing: a.) international law; b.) its extremely recent history; and c.) a collective united by their self-identification as belonging to an imaginary tribe, who have just destroyed it and the ‘rules based global order’ in just two years.

There is a difference between actually starting a war and allegedly starting a war (i.e. being blamed for starting a war although that's not true). The former is not illegal and the latter is illegal but is just a fiction which is based on who won and who lost a war, that is, on who writes history and who doesn't. As a consequence, Israel has not destroyed a 'rules-based global order' that is the old "might is right" rule plus a mendacious propaganda blaming and punishing the vanquished for allegedly starting a war. Israel and the United States started countless wars after the end of WW2, but they were never blamed and even less convicted and punished for starting those wars. At best, Israel has just dispelled the feel-good illusion of a rules-based global order to some now-awakened people. No big deal if I'm asked.

[Wahrheitssucher]

I got your point.
I don’t have any disagreement with any of the above.
I replied to your post because you minimised the point I had made.

The point I wrote about is HUGE in its long-term ramifications.
That point being that collectives of JOOZE have just destroyed the rules-based order.

And I suggested readers should think about that for a moment!

You argued that THAT point was “just an illusion” as in your view “starting a war has never been illegal”.
That is demonstrably false.
… [snip]…
I don’t think we are in the same conversation.
I’m discussing:
a.) international law;
b.) its extremely recent history; and
c.) a collective united by their self-identification as belonging to an imaginary tribe, who have just destroyed it and the ‘rules based global order’ in just two years.

There is a difference between actually starting a war and allegedly starting a war (i.e. being blamed for starting a war although that's not true).

No disagreement with that.

The former is not illegal and the latter is illegal but is just a fiction which is based on who won and who lost a war, that is, on who writes history and who doesn't.

Semantic quibbling.
It is illegal to murder someone and it is illegal to allegedly murder someone.

As a consequence, Israel has not destroyed a 'rules-based global order' that is the old "might is right" rule…

You appear to me to be in denial.

…Israel and the United States started countless wars after the end of WW2, but they were never blamed and even less convicted and punished for starting those wars.

Countless?? Meaning so many “wars” that we can’t easily count them?

The point is thay always managed to convince everyone that all post WW2 military aggressions were necessary to maintain the ‘rules-based order’ and were “legal”.
And the majority of people accepted that.
That self-delusion has just been thoroughly destroyed!
No sane, intelligent, ethical person can now delude themselves any longer.

Have you not yourself noticed this in conversations with friends and family?

This will have huge ramifications.

At best, Israel has just dispelled the feel-good illusion of a rules-based global order to some now-awakened people. No big deal if I'm asked.

Maybe not a big deal for you.
But can’t you see that for the vast majority of people who have just been awakened to this reality, that is huge and quite devastating to realise that we the ‘good guy’ West are now clearly the ‘bad guys’? It allows people to consider the fact that “we” may have actually been the ‘bad guys’ for centuries.

It allows people to reconsider ALL our history with new ‘eyes’. I.e. in a new light.

PLUS, because of the heavy jooish role in lying about their genocide in Gaza and illegally attacking Iran, it demands that honest, intelligent people must now look again at the role of jooish collectives during that recent history.
Which allows people to reassess the holyH mythology. As if they can control us and lie so brazenly about Gaza, Lebanon and Iran THEN what else have they been lying to us about.

SUMMARY.
This is huge and could be a game-changer.
You appear not to have understood this yet.

[Eye of Zyclone]

The former is not illegal and the latter is illegal but is just a fiction which is based on who won and who lost a war, that is, on who writes history and who doesn't.

Semantic quibbling.
It is illegal to murder someone and it is illegal to allegedly murder someone.

It is not illegal to murder someone if you have a very good lawyer and it is illegal to allegedly murder someone if the prosecutor is better than your lawyer or if you made a false confession under pressure.

As a consequence, Israel has not destroyed a 'rules-based global order' that is the old "might is right" rule…

You appear to me to be in denial.

Pessimistic, maybe. In denial, I don't think so.

…Israel and the United States started countless wars after the end of WW2, but they were never blamed and even less convicted and punished for starting those wars.

The point is thay always managed to convince everyone that all post WW2 military aggressions were necessary to maintain the ‘rules-based order’ and were “legal”.
And the majority of people accepted that.
That self-delusion has just been thoroughly destroyed!
No sane, intelligent, ethical person can now delude themselves any longer.

Have you not yourself noticed this in conversations with friends and family?

This will have huge ramifications.

No, I didn't notice this. It seems to me that they managed this time again to convince almost everyone that their current military aggressions are necessary to maintain the rules-based order and are legal. I hear a lot of sheeple saying that the Hamas started it and Iran needs to be stopped before having nukes.

At best, Israel has just dispelled the feel-good illusion of a rules-based global order to some now-awakened people. No big deal if I'm asked.

Maybe not a big deal for you.

But can’t you see that for the vast majority of people who have just been awakened to this reality, that is huge and quite devastating to realise that we the ‘good guy’ West are now clearly the ‘bad guys’? It allows people to consider the fact that “we” may have actually been the ‘bad guys’ for centuries.

It allows people to reconsider ALL our history with new ‘eyes’. I.e. in a new light.

PLUS, because of the heavy jooish role in lying about their genocide in Gaza and illegally attacking Iran, it demands that honest, intelligent people must now look again at the role of jooish collectives during that recent history.
Which allows people to reassess the holyH mythology. As if they can control us and lie so brazenly about Gaza, Lebanon and Iran THEN what else have they been lying to us about.

No, I haven't seen many people awaken to this. And I foresee that Israel and the United States will succeed in convincing most people that their propaganda lies were not lies but mere mistakes. They always do that. They said "we didn't lie; we've been misled by faulty intelligence" every time they were caught in a lie, and most people just bought it.

SUMMARY.
This is huge and could be a game-changer.
You appear not to have understood this yet.

Only the future will tell. We'll see...

[Eye of Zyclone]

My point was that the side portrayed as the side that started a war is invariably the side that lost that war because history is just a story made up by the victors to absolve themselves of all blame and justify their postwar domination and dictates.

Israel and the United States are already distorting the truth to explain why Iran allegedly started this war. This is only a matter of "public relations" (a democratic euphemism for "propaganda") and power, not a matter of facts and truth.

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Fun fact, he also illegally sold promis software, not even bothering to change the name, and with a backdoor giving mossad access to any database using it. Oh, and he was the one responsible for 'TETRIS'. In addition to, you know, writing, distributing and selling basically all the textbooks in American schools..

[Wahrheitssucher]

As a consequence, Israel has not destroyed a 'rules-based global order' that is the old "might is right" rule…

Wahrheitssuchender wrote: ”You appear to me to be in denial.”

Pessimistic, maybe. In denial, I don't think so.

Here is what I think you are in denial of.
It is not just the rules about military aggression (starting wars) that Israel is breaking with complete impunity.

So the ILLEGAL ATTACK against Iran and MURDER of its political and military leaders are not the only crimes that zio-jews are being helped to commit by our governments.

Nor is it just their heinously illegal genocide of non-jews (gentiles: athiests, Muslims and Christians) in occupied Palestine.

There have been a great many rules and international laws that only in the last century have been created, which countries worldwide have been forced to sign up to or have been ostracised and sanctioned.

E.g.
- rules criminalising torture,
- rules about child labour,
- rules about territorial waters,
- rules about freedom of travel without illegal abduction,
- rules outlawing ‘slavery’,
etc., etc.

This international ‘rules-based order’ was founded upon certain basic human rights considered inviolable and is a fairly recent concept.

These ‘laws’ were created immediately after WW2.
All countries were forced to sign up to them IF they wanted to be part of this ‘new’ world order. Key developments were the establishment of the United Nations in 1945, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948. Other international treaties and agreements followed.

Israel is brazenly breaking the vast majority of these rules.
It is not even pretending to observe them anymore.

And OUR governments are not only saying nothing, but are openly SUPPORTING them in doing that!!!

E.g. the repeated Israeli ILLEGAL acts of ‘piracy’, with felonies of torture, illegal detention, abduction, extremely violent and even sexual assaults that the IoF do in international waters. Zionist jews have just been helped by Greece to do that AGAIN in the Mediterranean, against a peaceful flotilla trying to break their INTERNATIONALLY ILLEGAL blockade of food and supplies in Gaza.

I presume you are American, which might explain why you don’t think any of this is a ‘big deal’.

In the United States, Council on American-Islamic Relations executive director Nihad Awad said in a statement that “Congress must demand that the Israeli apartheid government immediately release the American citizens and other humanitarian activists it kidnapped in international waters in a blatant violation of international law.”

“Our nation would not tolerate, much less fund, the kidnapping of American citizens in international waters off the coast of Greece by any other state,” Awad added. “It is long past time for the out-of-control Netanyahu regime to face consequences of its crimes, including American citizens.”

The United States supports Israel with tens of billions of dollars in armed aid, and diplomatic cover including repeated vetoes of United Nations Security Council cease-fire resolutions for Gaza.

Last year, dozens of boats carrying hundreds of activists from over 40 nations took part in the last Global Sumud Flotilla — sumud means “perseverance” in Arabic — as it attempted to break Israel’s naval blockade and deliver desperately needed humanitarian aid including food, medicines, and baby formula to starving Gazans amid a growing famine.

Israeli forces intercepted and seized the flotilla vessels in international waters in early October, arresting all aboard the boats and temporarily jailing them in Israel.

In 2010, Israeli forces raided one of the first convoys carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza by sea. The attackers killed nine volunteers aboard the MV Mavi Marmara, including Turkish-American teenager Furkan Doğan.

Members of past Gaza flotillas have reported abuse at the hands of their Israeli captors, although they have urged the world to focus not on them, but rather the people of Gaza, who have endured nearly 31 months of genocidal war and siege.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/israe ... lla-piracy

[Eye of Zyclone]

Here is what I think you are in denial of.

I'm not in denial of those things. My point is that so-called war crimes are [real or fictional] things blamed on the vanquished and the vanquished alone and that war narratives are just fictions concocted by the victors to conceal their own aggressions & atrocities and portray their own aggressions & atrocities (those they couldn't fully conceal) as justified, deplorable but necessary, inevitable but caused by the enemy, much smaller than the enemy's alleged huge crimes, defensive military actions. I bet we'll see more and more the undisputed triumph of the war narratives that Israel was merely defending its gentle civilians against bloodthirsty Hamas murderers and that the United States has fortunately eliminated the alleged danger of a nuclear Iran for everyone's sake (including the allegedly oppressed, tortured and massacred Iranians themselves) and the preservation of a rules-based global order of peace, freedom, tolerance, love, cute puppies, rosy-cheeked babies and grandma's delicious apple pies.

For info, similar rules (Hague & Geneva Conventions) were created long before WW2, but have never prevented anything. Above all, those rules didn't prevent the victors of WW1 & WW2 from blaming the vanquished for all kinds of mostly fictive aggressions & atrocities. Au contraire ! IMO, trying to moralize war (i.e. state-sponsored large-scale killing) is just childish, useless, unrealistic and a big inducement to lie. Moreover such rules and the demonizing propaganda they generate made wars much longer & more destructive than the previous ones because defeat became forbidden.

And no, I'm not American.