Why does SanityCheck evade the Physical Evidence Question?

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Re: Why does SanityCheck evade the Physical Evidence Question?

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SanityCheck wrote: Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:01 am
Incorrect. Revisionism's 'testable predictions' aren't in fact fully quantifiable for reasons noted in this thread and earlier, by Roberto Muehlenkamp. The 'testable predictions' lead nowhere, since they then imply a hypothesis (deported Jews found elsewhere, alive or dead), which has in turn failed to be corroborated, and is thus falsified on your terms. The implied hypothesis cannot be quantified, either, since neither Mattogno nor yourself will explain what % of the deportees actually ended up dead, buried and then cremated at the AR camps, and how this then helps point to where the remaining % of the deportees ended up. So the entire argument ends up zapping the deportees from the historical record all the same.

Moreover, when restricted as it usually is to blethering about Treblinka and Belzec, this leaves approximately 4 million victims of the Holocaust which aren't explained by the 'testable predictions', calling into question why those camps should be anomalies. When extended to Sobibor and Chelmno, this still leaves 3.6 million not dealt with by the argument, and already one runs into serious problems from the revisionist perspective trying to explain away Chelmno. Adding in non-Jewish victims which overlap elsewhere to a significant degree, and there's an even greater explanatory deficit.
Nick, whataboutism and obfuscation don't put the bodies in the dirt along the Bug River.

The holocaust of bullets numbers are looking pretty inflated too, like Auschwitz, but, diving in to that distracts from some of the most in depth archeological research we've got. What we have indicates inflated death tolls by at least an order of magnitude.

That's an indicator of a pattern. 2,000,000 went to 84,000 at majdanek. 4,000,000 went to 1,100,000 at Auschwitz etc. These tolls even appear to be inflated, still greatly inflated at Auschwitz. The evidence doesn't support the claim.

I get that you aren't going to actually look for where they went and that you are not interested in correcting the mistakes of your peers with regard to their source laundering. I understand that you are content with the established historiography and that you consider it proven beyond a doubt.

I caution you that you are wrong and that the very bedrock of your historiography is not rock at all, but sand, that just blows away when given even the slightest scrutiny.

I encourage you to reflect upon the literature and the tangible evidence and to consider that the history as it has been written doesn't even meet with the integrity taught to high schoolers about journalism.

Yes, 80 years is some time. That isn't sufficient reason for the community to legitimately know more about an ancient roman village and how it operated than about Sobibor. Compare the pictures to the maps and early history as told to you. I don't think the chicken coop in the 'extermination area' was a gas chamber Sir.

In short, I feel that we are all, including yourself, owed history that reflects reality, not fables about piles of dead jews spread across half a continent, murdered in ironic and ridiculous ways (sardine method, diesel exhaust).
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Re: Why does SanityCheck evade the Physical Evidence Question?

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A response to both Dr. Terry and others:
Both lines of argument miss the bigger picture I’ve outlined: macro-level wartime mortality carries an inherent uncertainty of ≈ ±7.5 million. Obsessing over pyre fuel, chicken coups, or outdated figures is like blind people feeling the tail of an elephant and insisting they understand the whole animal—it’s noise masquerading as analysis. I don’t mind examining site-specific details, but when the macro-level picture is ignored, discussion ceases to be analysis and becomes posturing.

I don’t mind examining site-specific details, but when macro-level statistics are ignored and micro-debates dominate, it ceases to be analysis and becomes posturing.
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Re: Why does SanityCheck evade the Physical Evidence Question?

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SanityCheck wrote: Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:01 am Incorrect. Revisionism's 'testable predictions' aren't in fact fully quantifiable for reasons noted in this thread and earlier, by Roberto Muehlenkamp. The 'testable predictions' lead nowhere, since they then imply a hypothesis (deported Jews found elsewhere, alive or dead), which has in turn failed to be corroborated, and is thus falsified on your terms. The implied hypothesis cannot be quantified, either, since neither Mattogno nor yourself will explain what % of the deportees actually ended up dead, buried and then cremated at the AR camps, and how this then helps point to where the remaining % of the deportees ended up. So the entire argument ends up zapping the deportees from the historical record all the same.

Moreover, when restricted as it usually is to blethering about Treblinka and Belzec, this leaves approximately 4 million victims of the Holocaust which aren't explained by the 'testable predictions', calling into question why those camps should be anomalies. When extended to Sobibor and Chelmno, this still leaves 3.6 million not dealt with by the argument, and already one runs into serious problems from the revisionist perspective trying to explain away Chelmno. Adding in non-Jewish victims which overlap elsewhere to a significant degree, and there's an even greater explanatory deficit.
Dr. Terry, your "unquantifiable" pivot concedes extermination's physical predictions (mega-graves, 280M kg wood at Treblinka) as untenable -- official digs (that is, Lukasciewicz/Kola/Mazurek/Sturdy-Colls) yield sparsity and economic operations, corroborating revisionism and falsifying your needed scale.

Unchallenged specifics persist:
  • FeCN (Birkenau): Rudolf modeling predicts stable FeCN; Markiewicz's unbound-HCN volatility undermines itself. This is a direct challenge to your tally (and narrative) at Birkenau.
  • Sobibor Graves: Mazurek empties Kola's "dense" graves (numbers 1/2/7 shown as near-completely empty, highlighting Kola's trend of dramatic inflation of findings); reasonable range of actual corpses is approximately 2.7k-17k, per charitable inference on Mazurek descriptions.
  • Fuel Math: >400kg/corpse (TORC/2024 peer-review); child skew ~12% reduction (pre-factored); your "Z%" multiplies unproven graves (zero unearthed, and senseless to unload corpses when the rail destination was a cremation camp).
Physical factors nullify extermination first; "where 100% went" is secondary (transit/labor/disease fits here). Non-AR deaths are irrelevant to AR impossibilities.

Here's your assignment: name any post-Muehlenkamp scholar quantifying your revised tolls/sites (i.e. for wood/process/graves), or concede the physical debate lost.

Has your evasion ended, or shall it continue ad nauseum?
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Re: Why does SanityCheck evade the Physical Evidence Question?

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SanityCheck wrote: Wed Feb 18, 2026 8:31 pm As I said, the principle is not wrong - if there is evidence of unloading or selections of labourers for labour camps en route, then this revises the history. But there is currently no such evidence.

Meanwhile, survivors of Treblinka II as well as train-jumpers report on their own deportation transports with no mention of unloading, and a fair bit of discussion of hellish conditions for the summer and high summer/Indian summer of 1942.
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Re: Why does SanityCheck evade the Physical Evidence Question?

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Callafangers wrote: Fri Feb 20, 2026 7:05 pm Dr. Terry, your "unquantifiable" pivot concedes extermination's physical predictions (mega-graves, 280M kg wood at Treblinka) as untenable -- official digs (that is, Lukasciewicz/Kola/Mazurek/Sturdy-Colls) yield sparsity and economic operations, corroborating revisionism and falsifying your needed scale.

Unchallenged specifics persist:
  • FeCN (Birkenau): Rudolf modeling predicts stable FeCN; Markiewicz's unbound-HCN volatility undermines itself. This is a direct challenge to your tally (and narrative) at Birkenau.
  • Sobibor Graves: Mazurek empties Kola's "dense" graves (numbers 1/2/7 shown as near-completely empty, highlighting Kola's trend of dramatic inflation of findings); reasonable range of actual corpses is approximately 2.7k-17k, per charitable inference on Mazurek descriptions.
  • Fuel Math: >400kg/corpse (TORC/2024 peer-review); child skew ~12% reduction (pre-factored); your "Z%" multiplies unproven graves (zero unearthed, and senseless to unload corpses when the rail destination was a cremation camp).
Physical factors nullify extermination first; "where 100% went" is secondary (transit/labor/disease fits here). Non-AR deaths are irrelevant to AR impossibilities.

Here's your assignment: name any post-Muehlenkamp scholar quantifying your revised tolls/sites (i.e. for wood/process/graves), or concede the physical debate lost.

Has your evasion ended, or shall it continue ad nauseum?
Bumping this so it is not missed. Hoping Dr. Terry finds the time to address it.
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