Callafangers' statements of fact / rebuttable presumptions about Belzec and Sobibor

[Keen]

Perhaps it is time for you [Keen] to pen a 'Statements of Facts' post for posterity and to inspire robust debate.

I second this notion...

Callafangers:

At Sobibor and Belzec, Mattogno estimates corpses at each location in the low thousands or even low tens of thousands. My own estimates are in a similar range. I would concede a maximum of some ~40-50,000 at Sobibor, somewhat less at Belzec.

Callafangers:

There have been hundreds of core samples [at Belzec and Sobibor], dozens of which contain at least some amount of corpse material.

I think some have been fair to point out that there are certain excavations which most researchers (even revisionists) do not dispute having actually taken place (e.g. Kola at Sobibor/Belzec and Judge Lukaszkiewicz at Treblinka), with significant corpse quantities found... While it's true that the excavations by Kola, Judge Lukaszkiewicz, and others have been wholly inadequate for the scale of what is claimed at these locations, it seems just as untrue to claim, for example, that only a total of six (6) corpses have ever been unearthed at Treblinka [Note: I have never made this claim.]

Callafangers, let's see a statement of fact that can be defined as a rebuttable presumption for both Belzec and Sobibor that reflect your belief that there are the remains of about 50,000 jews buried in "huge mass graves" in each camp. One for each camp please.

Remember, you will be under cross examination after, so you will not have the luxury of running away from questions, like you are so wont to do.

[Keen]

Callafangers:

At Sobibor and Belzec... I would concede a maximum of some ~40-50,000 at Sobibor, somewhat less at Belzec.

Just a reminder Callafangers, when developing your statement of fact / rebuttable presumption, you will need to state a precise number, stated as "no less than."

Same with this:

There have been hundreds of core samples [at Belzec and Sobibor], dozens of which contain at least some amount of corpse material.

Remember, precise numbers.

And don't forget that you have to be 100% accurate. It cannot contain any slop like this:

it seems just as untrue to claim, for example, that only a total of six (6) corpses have ever been unearthed at Treblinka

[Callafangers]

Callafangers, let's see a statement of fact that can be defined as a rebuttable presumption for both Belzec and Sobibor that reflect your belief that there are the remains of about 50,000 jews buried in "huge mass graves" in each camp. One for each camp please.

Remember, you will be under cross examination after, so you will not have the luxury of running away from questions, like you are so wont to do.

No one is running away for the simple fact that your position is not especially intimidating. Lol.

You're also misrepresenting what I said. Do you want to try again? What were my actual words, regarding what I believe to be a possible range of actual corpses underneath each camp? Please quote exactly, since it is relevant to this thread.

[Keen]

You're also misrepresenting what I said. Do you want to try again?

Sure. Let's give you the chance to state your belief in a way that can't be misrepresented and can be used as a foundation for the development of your rebuttable presumption.

Answer the following simple questioins:

I believe, based on the evidence that I have seen, that the remains of no less than _?_ people currently lie within the boundary of the Sobibor camp.

I believe, based on the evidence that I have seen, that no less than _?_ graves (mass and single combined) have been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp.

Again, if you need any help, go here: https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=16876#p16876

[Keen]

Well, it looks like Callafangers is showing his true colors by cravenly refusing to answer the two simple questions I asked him in the previous post. Or maybe he just doesn't have the mental capacity to handle two questions at once? Let's simplify things to the point that a retarded 4th grader could understand and see if Callafangers can grow a pair and answer it:

Callafangers, is it - True. - or - False. - that; at least one grave containing the remains of at least one person has been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp - ?

[Keen]

No one is running away

Except you and Nessie.

Callafangers:

Keen, this above is the exact kind of unproductive shenanigans that you've been called out on.

Maneuvering you into a corner and watching you squirm is a "shenanigan"?

[Keen]

Callafangers:

Lol, I can take the heat.

I guess by that you mean you create a cooling breeze by cravenly running away from simple questions huh?

How's your statements of fact / rebuttable presumption about Sobibor comming along Callafangers?

BTW Callafangers, why are you so afraid of answering this question:

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; at least one grave containing the remains of at least one person has been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp - ??

[Keen]

Callafangers:

What I am interested in is whether any of these locations have any actual/excavated corpse material findings... at Sobibor, there have been hundreds of core samples, dozens of which contain at least some amount of corpse material.

...

You're asking for precise quantification which we both know has not been achieved, hence it is pointless to ask.

Let me demonstrate how easy it is to bitch-slap and corner Callafangers with this simple fill in the blank question:

I believe, based on all of the evidence that I have seen, that no less than _?_ of Sobibors 24 alleged "huge mass graves" contain / contained at least an iota of human remains.

Information about the 24 alleged "huge mass graves" can be found here: https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18883#p18883

Now let's let Callafangers demonstrate his level of courage, integrity and character.