Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[Stubble]

I've seen a humble type of honesty out of Nessie I don't think it is possible to fake and genuinely feel that the fellow is in ernest. Links to documents that are straight up damning to his position if simply read neutrally without ascribing homicidal intent. Up to now, a concession of keeping the alleged grave space inside the alleged extermination area something others do not do.

Don't get me wrong, I have him on ignore, because otherwise talking to him and trying to reason with him would just snowball. But generally I think the fellow is an actual seeker, even if he is blind to the point of delusion.

[Keen]

How many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

An acceptable answer will be one of the following:

0., 1., 2., 3., 4., 5., 6., 7., 8., 9., 10., 11., 12., 13., 14., 15., or More than 15.

11.

Which 11?

G32, G29, G1/G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18155#p18155

But notice that Retardo listed 12 "huge mass graves," not 11.

Did CSC scientifically prove that those 11 alleged "huge mass graves" actually exist and currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that those 11 alleged "huge mass graves" actually exist and currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie:

The answer to that goes back to the question;

"Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Archaeologists can easily distinguish a garbage pit from a mass grave?"

For which you said;

"An acceptable answer is either - Yes. - or - No."

But I had pointed out that what is inside a grave is reliably determined by excavation, not just geophysics. Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proves that there are pits, G32, G29, G1/G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54 and that they exist. But it does not prove that those pits contain human remains. To do that, other evidence, such as an excavation, is needed.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18164#p18164

Nessie:

"A mass grave is defined as a grave containing multiple human corpses, or the remains of multiple people."

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18174#p18174

multiple
...
: consisting of, including, or involving more than one

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multiple

actual
...
a
: existing in fact or reality
b
: not false or apparent

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/actual

So here are the questions that Nessie is cravenly running away from:

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc. - were dug at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

Nessie's answer:

True

Where is the Treblinka II garbage pit?



Did CSC scientifically prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that F1, F9 and F16 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that F1, F9 and F16 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that F1, F9 and F16 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that F1, F9 and F164 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

When you allege that CSC actually proved that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - what standard of proof are you referring to?

When you allege that CSC actually proved that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 are actual mass graves - what standard of proof are you referring to?

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one single, disconnected human tooth: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one pound of cremated human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 22 human beings: _?_.

Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

Nessie's answer:

I don't know

[Keen]

We still have F1, F9 and F16 to investigate, but I'll get to that tomorrow.

[Hektor]

11?

Keen, you should grab the contemporary 1940's 3 witness maps and ask him to show you on them. There are 3 of them. They indicate only 4 'huge mass graves', that happen to coincide with the GPR/LIDAR returns for g51, g52, g53 and g54.

That could be coincidental, and nothing has been 'proved up', but, if I were going to drop shovel and excavate, I'd start by going right there, because if there are any collections of bodies in various states at that camp, x marks the spot.

The rest, it isn't indicated by the collaborative witness maps, and if you want the truth out of a man, put him in a room with 2 more.

/shrug

Assuming there would have been mass graves with 100s or even 1000s of corpses would still be in line with the Revisionist POV on Treblinka. So Holocautians need to show a bit more than a few Bones they then try to extrapolate to 'huge mass graves'....

[Stubble]

11?

Keen, you should grab the contemporary 1940's 3 witness maps and ask him to show you on them. There are 3 of them. They indicate only 4 'huge mass graves', that happen to coincide with the GPR/LIDAR returns for g51, g52, g53 and g54.

That could be coincidental, and nothing has been 'proved up', but, if I were going to drop shovel and excavate, I'd start by going right there, because if there are any collections of bodies in various states at that camp, x marks the spot.

The rest, it isn't indicated by the collaborative witness maps, and if you want the truth out of a man, put him in a room with 2 more.

/shrug

Assuming there would have been mass graves with 100s or even 1000s of corpses would still be in line with the Revisionist POV on Treblinka. So Holocautians need to show a bit more than a few Bones they then try to extrapolate to 'huge mass graves'....

Agreed. We both know exactly why no shovel will drop exactly on those 4 spots. Then the exterminationists would be stuck trying to explain 'where they goed'...

The grave space is a thimble.

[Keen]

I've seen a humble type of honesty out of Nessie I don't think it is possible to fake and genuinely feel that the fellow is in ernest. Links to documents that are straight up damning to his position if simply read neutrally without ascribing homicidal intent. Up to now, a concession of keeping the alleged grave space inside the alleged extermination area something others do not do.

Don't get me wrong, I have him on ignore, because otherwise talking to him and trying to reason with him would just snowball. But generally I think the fellow is an actual seeker, even if he is blind to the point of delusion.

Ask Muehlenkamp if Yoram Haimi ever told him that there were no human remains in the Sobibor "ash mound."

We'll see what kind of honesty we get.

And we'll see just how honest the pathological liar is with these questions:

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc. - were dug at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

Nessie's answer:

True

Where is the Treblinka II garbage pit?



Did CSC scientifically prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that F1, F9 and F16 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that F1, F9 and F16 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that F1, F9 and F16 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that F1, F9 and F164 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

When you allege that CSC actually proved that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - what standard of proof are you referring to?

When you allege that CSC actually proved that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 are actual mass graves - what standard of proof are you referring to?

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one single, disconnected human tooth: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one pound of cremated human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 22 human beings: _?_.

Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

Nessie's answer:

I don't know

[Wetzelrad]

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The photo of 15 skulls is interesting. In exhuming bodies and taking photos, it seems the grave robbers were more honest than any of the authorized investigators.

[Keen]

Forum statistics indicate that this thread has been viewed 2,881,119 times. Was it linked on some highly active website? Probably not. Must be bot traffic, or else we would have an influx of new users.

The photo of 15 skulls is interesting. In exhuming bodies and taking photos, it seems the grave robbers were more honest than any of the authorized investigators.

"Grave robbers" posing for a picture?

It's a nonsensical story.

Just like all the other stories about the fraudulently alleged "treblinka holocaust" - pure nonsense.

[Nessie]

I've seen a humble type of honesty out of Nessie I don't think it is possible to fake and genuinely feel that the fellow is in ernest. Links to documents that are straight up damning to his position if simply read neutrally without ascribing homicidal intent. Up to now, a concession of keeping the alleged grave space inside the alleged extermination area something others do not do.

Don't get me wrong, I have him on ignore, because otherwise talking to him and trying to reason with him would just snowball. But generally I think the fellow is an actual seeker, even if he is blind to the point of delusion.

The reason why homicidal intent is ascribed to certain evidence, is because evidence has context, other evidence. When that evidence is examined, it is specific about homicide. Evidence cannot be accurately determined, without the context of other evidence.

Geophysics finding a pit, does not prove homicide. It proves there is a pit. When other evidence, such as every single person who worked in the camp, states mass graves were dug and filled with corpses, then the context is that the pit is a grave. If that pit is excavated, or boreholes drilled into it, or grave robbers dig into it, or the ground above it is found to contain cremains, that is context from evidence of the pit being a grave. Then, a grave does not prove homicide. Other evidence is needed to prove that.

Keen's demand for yes, no, true or false, does not cope with the complexity of the evidence. So-called revisionist demand to look at star evidence, best evidence, or each piece of evidence at a time, fails to cope with the complexity.

[Nessie]

....
Assuming there would have been mass graves with 100s or even 1000s of corpses would still be in line with the Revisionist POV on Treblinka. So Holocautians need to show a bit more than a few Bones they then try to extrapolate to 'huge mass graves'....

Agreed. We both know exactly why no shovel will drop exactly on those 4 spots. Then the exterminationists would be stuck trying to explain 'where they goed'...

The grave space is a thimble.

That is your cope, pretending hardly anything has been found by the archaeological surveys.

[Keen]

Keen's demand for yes, no, true or false, does not cope with the complexity of the evidence.

Look at Roberto run!



Nessie,

How many mass graves have been conclusively proven to exist within the boundary of Treblinka II?

How many mass graves alleged by so-called "eyewitnesses" have been conclusively proven to exist within the boundary of Treblinka II?

How many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

Nessie's answer:

11.

Which 11?

Nessie's answer:

G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54.

Note: Retardo listed 12

Did CSC scientifically prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that F1, F9 and F16 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that F1, F9 and F16 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that F1, F9 and F16 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that F1, F9 and F164 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

When you allege that CSC actually proved that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - what standard of proof are you referring to?

When you allege that CSC actually proved that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 are actual mass graves - what standard of proof are you referring to?

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one single, disconnected human tooth: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one pound of cremated human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 22 human beings: _?_.

Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

Nessie's answer:

I don't know

[Keen]

11?

Keen, you should grab the contemporary 1940's 3 witness maps and ask him to show you on them. There are 3 of them. They indicate only 4 'huge mass graves', that happen to coincide with the GPR/LIDAR returns for g51, g52, g53 and g54.

That could be coincidental, and nothing has been 'proved up', but, if I were going to drop shovel and excavate, I'd start by going right there, because if there are any collections of bodies in various states at that camp, x marks the spot.

The rest, it isn't indicated by the collaborative witness maps, and if you want the truth out of a man, put him in a room with 2 more.

/shrug

I've added the following to the list of questions that Roberto is dodging:

How many mass graves alleged by so-called "eyewitnesses" have been conclusively proven to exist within the boundary of Treblinka II?

[Keen]

Nessie:

Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proves that there are pits, G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54 and that they exist. But it does not prove that those pits contain human remains.

Let's see the proof Roberto.

Let's start with G36.

[Nessie]

Nessie:

Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proves that there are pits, G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54 and that they exist. But it does not prove that those pits contain human remains.

Let's see the proof Roberto.

Let's start with G36.

I am not Roberto. You will get answers when you address me as Nessie, using the male pronoun, with no abuse and you answer my questions.

[Keen]

Nessie:

Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proves that there are pits, G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54 and that they exist. But it does not prove that those pits contain human remains.

Let's see the proof Roberto.

Let's start with G36.

I am not Roberto. You will get answers when you address me as Nessie, using the male pronoun, with no abuse and you answer my questions.

Look at it run!