The holy Holocaust, zionism and irrational belief-systems

[Wahrheitssucher]

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“It used to be that you can't question God. Now you can't question the Holocaust.
Now Holocaust-deniers are bad.
But what about the God denier?
You can be a Godless person. You can question [the existence of] God.
Anything you can question in the Jewish religion.
But not the Holocaust.

Denying God used to be what put you outside of the camp. Now it's denying the Holocaust.

Abraham, [our fore-father] went from town to town building altars to God.
Now they go from town to town building Holocaust memorials.

The Jews built [a] Grand Temple to God in the Holy Land. Now they have Yad Vashem [the holocaust museum in occupied Palestine].

It used to be that people would go and visit the Temple. All the Jews would [visit there].
Now they visit the concentration camps.

‘The Holocaust’ became their Jewishness! And the Holocaust became their god!

They have to constantly infuse Zionism with new life. The Holocaust becomes tired? Because it will. As generations go further away from the Holocaust, it becomes less exciting. They gonna have to find something else.
That's why [zionism] is doomed from the start. Because it wasn't an alive person.
It was a synthetic person [like Dr Frankenstein’s monster] that they had to keep pumping with some artificial life.”

~ Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro
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[Thanks to EofZ for sharing this here:
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[Nazgul]

‘The Holocaust’ became their Jewishness! And the Holocaust became their god!

This applies only to Zionist Jews, not all Jews. I agree with you, too many religious Jews, Ashkenazi or otherwise, the alleged holocaust was an supposed event that brought a commonality to their zionist cause, a cause to bring a diaspora closer together. To be fair, they were treated badly, but 99% of the allegations are mental constructs based on fear and uncertainty, of course rumour.
My affiliation is closer to Palestine, Syria and Russia.

[pilgrimofdark]

Jay Gonen was an American Israeli Jew who wrote A Psychohistory of Zionism in 1975.

This is what he wrote about Jews and Zionism in the wake of the holocaust when explaining the Samson and Masada psychologies of Israelis:

It is no surprise that after all that happened to them, Jews have a bottled-up murderous rage toward Gentiles. Nor is it a surprise that, after the great boost in self-esteem that Zionism has provided, Jews can now turn more of their rage outward rather than inward.

- p. 232

He also explores the mentality of Israeli and American Jews who saw the 1967 Six Day War as "the holocaust that did not happen" and the growing realization they had of "the threat of a new holocaust." (pp. 166-167)

And yes, he also discusses the replacement of Judaism by the holocaust.

[borjastick]

Jay Gonen was an American Israeli Jew who wrote A Psychohistory of Zionism in 1975.

This is what he wrote about Jews and Zionism in the wake of the holocaust when explaining the Samson and Masada psychologies of Israelis:

It is no surprise that after all that happened to them, Jews have a bottled-up murderous rage toward Gentiles. Nor is it a surprise that, after the great boost in self-esteem that Zionism has provided, Jews can now turn more of their rage outward rather than inward.

- p. 232

He also explores the mentality of Israeli and American Jews who saw the 1967 Six Day War as "the holocaust that did not happen" and the growing realization they had of "the threat of a new holocaust." (pp. 166-167)

And yes, he also discusses the replacement of Judaism by the holocaust.

'an American Israeli jew...' there's an oxymoron if there ever was one. Jews should hold israeli passports only and none other, even if they have residency in other countries. They either believe in israel or they don't in my opinion.

As to your other point about them striking back after being mistreated I agree that is a phenomenon - the bullied becoming the bullies - but in this case they of course take it to the enth degree and then some. If the latest Hamas/israel peace is broken it will be by the jews that's for certain. They will scheme and lie and renege on aspects of the agreement.

As for dual passports I have a British passport and was born there but also another EU country passport due to family history. I have it because it makes getting in and out of the EU simpler but I don't feel anything else than British.

[Nazgul]

'an American Israeli jew...' there's an oxymoron if there ever was one. Jews should hold israeli passports only and none other, even if they have residency in other countries. They either believe in israel or they don't in my opinion.

What is a Jew? I had no idea I was Jewish until I investigated my family tree. That aside, the majority of world Jews now reside in either Israel or the USA.

[Wahrheitssucher]

What is a Jew? I had no idea I was Jewish until I investigated my family tree.

You aren’t “a jew”.
You are a human being who has bought into an abstract concept.

It’s a purely arbitrary self-identification.

E.g. Christopher Hitchens.
He died aged 62. When he was nearly 40 he was told by his maternal grandmother that she herself and therefore his mother (her daughter) was SECRETLY ‘jewish’ and that therefore he and his brother Peter were also ‘jewish’.

In 1973, when he was 24, his mother had written a letter addressed to him shortly before committing suicide (i.e. a suicide note) but had never said. And neither his maternal grandparent nor his mother had ever showed any sign of being anything other than bog-standard, normal, Brits who like every other Brit attended Christian churches at the appropriate times and sent their kids to Christian boarding schools.

It’s a form of psychosis to imagine that despite a Christian upbringing in Britain he somehow ‘secretly’ belonged to some abstract tribal affiliation that claims unscientific descent from ancient levantine stock.
Be reasonable and think about it rationally and using basic common sense.
His most recent maternal ancestors were from Eastern Europe! Not Samaria, Galilee nor Judaea! His paternal line was presumably Anglo-saxon.

If you have difficulty agreeing then apply that self-identification to any other religious belief or ethnicity.
Imagine you are English, attended English schools and Universities and Anglican churches for 2/3rds of your life and when you are 38 years old your maternal grandmother tells you she is ‘secretly’ Confucianist Chinese, or Voodoo Zulu African, or Japanese Shinto, or Malayan Muslim, or South American Aztec or Tibetan buddhist?

Who in the right mind would discard and deny all their actual societal conditioning and influences and start to self-identify as any of those?

Imagine it! Try it on.

Imagine Hitchens had declared he was now self-identifying as a South American Aztec because his mother’s mother told him that that’s how she self-identified.

It’s a form of inherited, collective insanity.