Criticism of Jews as a Collective (Not Just as Individuals) is Ethical and Warranted

[Stubble]

Every ism except nazism has been founded by jews...

https://odysee.com/@Granola_Nazi:9/Culture-Cleaner:7

The every single time meme, it's true...

[Callafangers]

Israel does not affect the thinking of all Jews. Zionists do not represent the Jewish mindset; they are stuck in their bubble of religious nonsense.

There are indeed anti-Zionist Jews (and I would give credit where it is due) but I am unfortunately no longer able to say it is "just the Zionists", who as a Jewish collective may be of concern to host nations. The systems of organized Judaism (or Jewry) have patterns that are problematic and need to be addressed. With most groups, these problems would be addressed (and likely corrected) internally, before they ever became enough of a problem for outsiders to feel a need to step in. But because the Jewish collective does not generally see a problem with these patterns (rather, these are commonly embraced or at least tolerated), we instead see participation or complacence in these patterns, and even 'gaslighting' and defamation toward any outsiders expressing concern or frustration about them.

It's altogether a system that needs to change. I think most so-called 'antisemites' would actually prefer that Jews handle it internally but have lost trust that this would ever be the case. These initiatives are too central to Judaism to ever be given up easily at scale. And exposing them even slightly to non-Jewish masses can lead to a windfall that many Jews fear could be dangerous for themselves or their loved ones. That said, wouldn't a nation (of non-Jews) typically be forgiving of individual Jews who step forward as patriots of the nation to speak truthfully about these matters? Perhaps Jews as individuals often have more fear of their own collective than they do of the "goyim".

[Nazgul]

Every ism except nazism has been founded by jews...

https://odysee.com/@Granola_Nazi:9/Culture-Cleaner:7

The every single time meme, it's true...

You fail to differentiate between national socialism and Hitlerism; they are not the same.

[Nazgul]

That said, wouldn't a nation (of non-Jews) typically be forgiving of individual Jews who step forward as patriots of the nation to speak truthfully about these matters? Perhaps Jews as individuals often have more fear of their own collective than they do of the "goyim".

I suspect your personality type is INFJ, the answer to your question is the INFJ Σ mindset. Putin for instance is a subset of that personality type INTJ. Yes INFJ Jews are speaking out, the lone wolves so to speak. Most people are Alpha or Beta personality, show ponies, they seek validation hence follow public approval.

[Callafangers]

I suspect your personality type is INFJ, the answer to your question is the INFJ Σ mindset. Putin for instance is a subset of that personality type INTJ. Yes INFJ Jews are speaking out, the lone wolves so to speak. Most people are Alpha or Beta personality, show ponies, they seek validation hence follow public approval.

Is it just personality type, though, or is there a question of principles and empathy? Do people of other personality types lack these traits?

[Stubble]

Every ism except nazism has been founded by jews...

https://odysee.com/@Granola_Nazi:9/Culture-Cleaner:7

The every single time meme, it's true...

You fail to differentiate between national socialism and Hitlerism; they are not the same.

So, you are saying a jew founded National Socialism then Mr Wraith?

[Nazgul]

So, you are saying a jew founded National Socialism then Mr Wraith?

The German Workers Party was founded by Anton Drexler; this was essentialy a socialist party to protect the rights of the workers, similar to labour parties in existence within the UK, Australia and NZ. Sadly those parties have lost their roots, slightly left centre of the political spectum and now gone full blown communist, similar to Antifa in the US.

Adolf became leader of the DAP adding National Socialist to the name, creating a personal cult. He was not a bad person at all, fulfilling a need to destroy the communist horde that came from the Russias. At that time Berlin was a vassal of Moscow.

To answer your question yes Jews were involved in the foundation of the DAP, there were many in the Sturmabteilung, being proud soldaten of WWI.

[Stubble]

So, you are saying a jew founded National Socialism then Mr Wraith?

The German Workers Party was founded by Anton Drexler; this was essentialy a socialist party to protect the rights of the workers, similar to labour parties in existence within the UK, Australia and NZ. Sadly those parties have lost their roots, slightly left centre of the political spectum and now gone full blown communist, similar to Antifa in the US.

Adolf became leader of the DAP adding National Socialist to the name, creating a personal cult. He was not a bad person at all, fulfilling a need to destroy the communist horde that came from the Russias. At that time Berlin was a vassal of Moscow.

To answer your question yes Jews were involved in the foundation of the DAP, there were many in the Sturmabteilung, being proud soldaten of WWI.

There seems to be an incongruency here...

It's rather beside the point. jewry wants a borderless mass of mud persons to exploit and to abuse. Plenty of goyim grease the skids. One way I'm fond of expressing the global conspiracy is 'it isn't only jews, but it is always jews'. It doesn't matter if we are talking about Weishaupt or Wiesel, when you get to the bottom of that well, whichever social ill it may be harboring, whatever corrosive force lay in it, at the bottom, one finds 'a tiny jew'.

Hitler made this very clear in his chapter on Vienna and it echoes with truth into the present day like a bell struck with a sledgehammer.

At the end of the day, I suppose we could talk endlessly about every single 'one good jew'. They are however the exception and not the rule.

One would think they would expose the actions of their ethnic kin rather than cover for them at the detriment of every single generous host being preyed upon...

[Nazgul]

At the end of the day, I suppose we could talk endlessly about every single 'one good jew'. They are however the exception and not the rule.

One would think they would expose the actions of their ethnic kin rather than cover for them at the detriment of every single generous host being preyed upon...

I guess you can only talk about the Jews you know, not a part of the diaspora which walked away in the late 19th century. In that sense I agree with you, there is a reason why German Jews emigrated to Scotland and elsewhere, changing the surname a little to disguise who they were and found a new life.

You are well aware as admitted by Putin that Jews controlled the marxist take over of the Russias.

[Stubble]

I'm talking about jewry. I've repeatedly tried to make myself very clear on this point, to Numar, to CJ, and now, to you.

My judenhass, it is not a burning ember of contempt for a jew, but rather for the twisted branch of the human tree called jewry. This isn't antisemitism either, but rather counter semitism, because jewry wants to delete the roots of my family tree from the earth and any memory that we ever existed, because they consider me amalek...

I'd rather not be holodomor'ed thank you very much...

[Nazgul]

This isn't antisemitism either, but rather counter semitism, because jewry wants to delete the roots of my family tree from the earth and any memory that we ever existed, because they consider me amalek...

I'd rather not be holodomor'ed thank you very much...

There is a branch of Jews that totally agree with you. They have more in common with you than you realize. They do not consider themselves as Jewish, non self identification I guess, but one cannot erase a family tree no matter what one wishes. Einstein was such a Jew.

[Nessie]

The RC Church, from its power base in the Vatican City, has been subverting people all over the world, for many centuries. For example, the colonisation and conversion of Central and South America. The native people were often not given any choice, but to stop their existing religious beliefs and convert to Catholicism. The religious conversion of Ireland was not so brutal, but the Church subverted existing religions and customs and imposed its will on the country for the next 1500 or so years.

Yeah but you're bending the interpretation of subversion just a tad, here. Here's the definition:

Subversion. noun. /səbˈvɜː.ʃən/ is the act of trying to destroy or damage an established system or government, often secretly.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... subversion

You're diminishing the 'secrecy' element almost entirely, here [EDIT: also note that the places being 'colonized' could often hardly be said to have had any system or government in-place]. Catholic churches brought in big steeples and priests in obvious attire and could not wait to spread the message and win converts. Jews are not looking to recruit or convert anyone. They do not proselytize. Thus, they quite intentionally remain a foreign element. Add to that that they commonly change their names and portray themselves as loyal patriots to the host nation, all while organizing en masse to redirect (subvert) those interests to instead serve Jewish objectives.

The Catholic church and other European endeavors were also in a period of "winner takes all" global conquest. The purpose of the [Jewish-involved] League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations, was the international agreement to abolish that era for good. Thus, much of your 'colonization' deflection is moot.

Another thing which separates Jewish subversion is its intent. Jews do not have an inclusive vision of a global future, nor do they value in general the freedom and autonomy of other peoples, despite claiming that they do. Catholic intentions (and Muslim, Christian, etc.) are out in the open: they intend to convert everyone, and they are honest about it. Jews collectively claim, on the other hand, that they are solely interested in being noble leaders on a "special" (but certainly not supremacist ) mission from "Hashem" (God) as his 'ambassadors' on Earth. Unfortunately for them, some of their more vocal rabbis and thought leaders have dispelled this myth and made clear that the Talmudic scripture and its interpretations generally or at least frequently align toward a world that involves Jews wiping out an entire race by violence ('Amalek', who many Jews interpret to have been revealed as white Europeans), and ultimately subordinating all nations to serve Jews indefinitely, until these other nations/races eventually die off as well, leaving Jews to reign on the Earth entirely -- the sefirot finally restored and the kelipot done away with.

On that note, for those unaware: in traditional kabbalistic thought (Jewish mysticism, widely-embraced among Jews), the early stage of the creation of the universe entailed that a "divine light" ("sefirot") filled various vessels but that these vessels could not contain the light, so they shattered. The shards/fragments of the vessels are known as "kelipot". Both the divine sparks of light (sefirot) which previously filled the vessels and the kelipot became scattered all across the Earth. And Jews (kabbalists) believe that it is their mission to fix this 'disorder' where the sefirot/sparks are obscured or tainted by the kelipot, which involves elevating the sefirot/sparks above the kelipot, and eventually letting the kelipot wither away, since it was never important to begin with. This is the ideological formulation and justification by which many Jews practice "tikkun olam" -- which translates to "to fix the world". It is their duty to elevate Jews and Jewish interests (sefirot/sparks) above all other people and nations (kelipot). There is no point at which Jews became "elevated enough" in this framework -- they are meant to control everyone and everything on Earth, without exception, forever.

This is the "promise" of a future that Jews yearn for. Ever see orthodox Jews rocking back and forth, seemingly yearning for something, or see Chabad Jews with the 'rebbe', singing "we want Moshiach now!"? This is what they yearn for -- the world, all to themselves.

If this isn't a supremacist, hostile worldview, I don't know what is.

The reason why you have to emphasise the supposed subversiveness of the Jews, is because you cannot evidence that they are collectively acting, in a secret plot, to elevate themselves above all others.

[Nessie]

This is why nobody takes Nessie seriously.

He is bending over backwards to define Christians as subversive for converting pagans to Christianity, while simultaneously defining Jews as non-subversive for subverting foreign nations, infiltrating their institutions, influencing these institutions to enact self-preferential policies using the resources of others, and protecting themselves with those policies again using the resources of others.

Just when you think he couldn't get any more pathetic!

**Edit**

Nobody would find themselves stumbling into such a f@cking weird set of positions through independent reasoning a priori. He is clearly debating this point antagonistically because we are revisionists, he is a self-declared antagonist of revisionists, and if he concedes anything about Jews then he capitulates solid ground to us. Hence the gymnastics.

I have never argued that different collectives all act in the same way, to further their interests. I have argued that all collectives act in ways to further their interests and used Roman Catholics as an example of that. I have proved their extensive geo-political and socio-political activities, that promote Catholicism, over others and how they have asserted and established dominance over many countries. I have provided an example of where that dominance has been shattered and how national interest was established over the Church's interest.

If Jews were in the same position as the RCs, with multiple, successful, often ruling political parties and they were the established, primary religion over dozens of countries, you would be going apoplectic by now. But you are OK with RCs and you hate Jews, so you emphasise Jews promoting Jewish interests and ignore the RC Church's far more expansive and successful expansion of its interests.

[Nessie]

This is why nobody takes Nessie seriously.

He is bending over backwards to define Christians as subversive for converting pagans to Christianity, while simultaneously defining Jews as non-subversive for subverting foreign nations, infiltrating their institutions, influencing these institutions to enact self-preferential policies using the resources of others, and protecting themselves with those policies again using the resources of others.

Just when you think he couldn't get any more pathetic!

Let's give Nessie another shot.

Nessie, kindly do me a favor:

Please list honestly and comprehensively all of the differences in scale (per capita) and intent between the Catholic/Christian organizations you have been speaking to, and the Jewish organizations myself and others have been speaking about.

Let's hear your own comprehensive outline of what you will admit as differences between them. I think that is a good starting point, no? Please be thorough so that we don't have to reply with a lot of "what about...?". Do your best to include all objective differences between them, especially the ones that revisionists here have spoken to (feel free to put your own 'spin' on each item, just so long as its included).

Fair enough?

No. It is your contention that Jews disproportionately promote their interests. I asked you to evidence that. You refused. I did some quick research to establish that RCs also extensively promote their interests and now, you demand I do more work, whilst you do none.

It is your contention that Jews act differently and disproportionately, please evidence that they do. What you are doing here, is what you do with your so-called revisionism. You demand belief that millions of Jews survived WWII, without any evidence of that happening. Now, you demand belief of claims you make about Jews, compared to other collectives, without any evidence.

[Callafangers]

The reason why you have to emphasise the supposed subversiveness of the Jews, is because you cannot evidence that they are collectively acting, in a secret plot, to elevate themselves above all others.

If a secret plot were happening, Nessie, what would that evidence look like? What's the bar or threshold you would set for "evidence"?