Sobibor Mass Graves?

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Stubble wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:47 am
Keen wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:45 am
Stubble wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:12 am You missed the pony tail in grave #5. Apparently, that counts as a 'huge mass grave'.
4 = "Mass grave" #5: (Haimi: "Grave No. 5, two meters in depth, contained the remains of unburnt bones and hair.")
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/L82PykQq/Sobiborgrave5.jpg

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until a reality denier can substantiate Haimi's unsubstantiated allegation.
My mistake, you did pop that one in there.
No biggie.

Isn't it funny how the reality deniers are offering no help in finding the missing jews?

And did you notice that "graves" 9, 10 &11are just dots on the map?
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Keen wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:04 am
Stubble wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:47 am
Keen wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:45 am

My mistake, you did pop that one in there.
No biggie.

Isn't it funny how the reality deniers are offering no help in finding the missing jews?
Funny? No. Not surprising either.

They haven't looked for them in 80+ years, why would they start now...

It's extremely upsetting that people are absolutely aware that the missing are not in the dirt at the Bug River camps and no effort has been made to explain that.

The excuses are many and long. At the end of the day, I just want to know where the missing persons are.
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:09 am The excuses are many and long. At the end of the day, I just want to know where the missing persons are.
Well I'm sure we'll find them in the remaining 7 graves.

Did you notice that "graves" 9, 10 &11 are just dots on the map?

They must hold tens of thousands of corpses.
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Keen wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:11 am
Stubble wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:09 am The excuses are many and long. At the end of the day, I just want to know where the missing persons are.
Well I'm sure we'll find them in the remaining 7 graves.

Did you notice that "graves" 9, 10 &11 are just dots on the map?

They must hold tens of thousands of corpses.
I don't think that will happen.

Didn't you say they might be in Ponary?
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Stubble wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:30 am
Keen wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:11 am
Stubble wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 2:09 am The excuses are many and long. At the end of the day, I just want to know where the missing persons are.
Well I'm sure we'll find them in the remaining 7 graves.

Did you notice that "graves" 9, 10 &11 are just dots on the map?

They must hold tens of thousands of corpses.
I don't think that will happen.

Didn't you say they might be in Ponary?
Yes, in the "air graves"!

:lol:
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Stubble wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:12 am You missed the pony tail in grave #5.
Apparently, jewish hair has some kind of magical quality that keeps it from burning up during cremation.
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If you look at Dresden and Ohrdruf it should be obvious that these pyres were not for the destruction of remains, but hygienic in nature. I am in no way surprised that hair, soft tissue and even organs were not destroyed during the desiccation of the remains before they were buried.

The fuel requirements are also low using this method of 'expedient field cremation'.

I need to check interwar period SOP to see if this method emerged in ww1 or not. I believe it may have.

The Aktion 1005 mythos, in my opinion, is an obvious hoax to explain away the absolute lack of anything commiserate with the story as it has been handed down.

The Soviet knew they would not find anything, and so, they explained it away.

I'm looking forward to your Ponary thread, I'm not getting much in the way of information on it trying to find information myself, just narrative.
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Stubble wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 3:07 am If you look at Dresden and Ohrdruf it should be obvious that these pyres were not for the destruction of remains, but hygienic in nature. I am in no way surprised that hair, soft tissue and even organs were not destroyed during the desiccation of the remains before they were buried.
They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either, just enough to prevent body counts, identification and establishing cause of death. That is why there were reports of body parts and identifiable bones have been photographed.
The fuel requirements are also low using this method of 'expedient field cremation'.
Which will be why there is so little about getting wood for fuelling the AR camp pyres.
I need to check interwar period SOP to see if this method emerged in ww1 or not. I believe it may have.

The Aktion 1005 mythos, in my opinion, is an obvious hoax to explain away the absolute lack of anything commiserate with the story as it has been handed down.
What other mass grave site, or sites, are larger in volume than that identified at the AR camps?
The Soviet knew they would not find anything, and so, they explained it away.

I'm looking forward to your Ponary thread, I'm not getting much in the way of information on it trying to find information myself, just narrative.
None of the archaeological surveys were by the Soviets, including at Ponary.
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Nessie wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:53 pm None of the archaeological surveys were by the Soviets, including at Ponary.
Look at the lying coward run!
Nessie:
There are plenty of photos of cremated remains found at Sobibor.
Nessie, we need photos of human remains for Sobibor "huge mass graves"

#9, #10, #11, #17, #18, #19, #20 & #21.
Let's see them Liar.

What are you so afraid of?

Not a single photo proving that 8 out of the 20 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" even exist!

:lol:

The jews went to Sobibor to "scientifically / archaeologically / forensically" PROVE to the world that 250,000 jews really were buried in "huge mass graves" at Sobibor - and THEY FORGOT to take photos of 8 of the alleged 20 "huge mass graves." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Keen wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:15 pm
Nessie wrote: Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:53 pm None of the archaeological surveys were by the Soviets, including at Ponary.
Look at the lying coward run!
Nessie:
There are plenty of photos of cremated remains found at Sobibor.
Nessie, we need photos of human remains for Sobibor "huge mass graves"

#9, #10, #11, #17, #18, #19, #20 & #21.
Let's see them Liar.

What are you so afraid of?

Not a single photo proving that 8 out of the 20 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" even exist!

:lol:

The jews went to Sobibor to "scientifically / archaeologically / forensically" PROVE to the world that 250,000 jews really were buried in "huge mass graves" at Sobibor - and THEY FORGOT to take photos of 8 of the alleged 20 "huge mass graves." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It is a strange anomaly that though the Soviets found and opened up the main 'death camps' they were amazingly crap at recording anything of any value to support their wild claims of millions dying in the same camps. If you take Auschwitz for example not only did they never find and photograph a working gas chamber but they waited for about two weeks I think before staging various pictures of inmates and infrastructure. Very odd indeed. I mean why did they not have a battlefield press photographer on hand when they walked through the front gates to capture everything as it was left by the Germans? Why did they make astonishing claims of mountains of human cremains being spread in the fields and thrown in massive piles into the local river and use these pictures as evidence to back up their delayed and monumental stories?

These Russians were very badly organised or maybe not... Curiouser and curiouser.
Of the four million jews under German control, six million died and five million survived!
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