So last night I was watching Felton’s video about some of Hitlers ashes that might still remain in Germany. Mark was explaining how Hitler and Eva’s bodies were burned according to the record, at the time stamp 9:15 he says “The staff faced two major problems in attempting to destroy Hitler and Eva’s remains completely, an open air cremation is very inefficient and heat varies due to the influence of wind and the shape of the cremation area.”
He also mentions how the cremation lasted 2 and a half hours and SS men were occasionally going to add fuel once the soviet shelling had stopped.
Now, I do wonder if Felton would apply this same logic if somebody asked him about open air cremations at AR camps?
There are of course all the theories that Hitler survived and escaped. I don't buy any of those. I am convinced that Hitler committed suicide at the end of the war. But there is some question about the body. The Nazis didn't want the Allies to mutilate his corpse etc and the Allies didn't want Hitler's remains to become an object of worship for Nazis. So it was inevitable that Hitler's remains were going to be erased one way or another. The Russians released an autopsy very late, in 1968, and that is one of the sources for the whole "Hitler only had one ball" thing. There has been disagreement over whether they correctly identified Hitler's body.
There was a similar thing with the Romanov family. I think in the 90s, they went back and found the remains many years after the fact. The bodies were first buried in a mineshaft but were removed, (partially?) burned, and reburied elsewhere. Reportedly they confirmed the ID with DNA.
But yes open air cremations are often very inefficient, especially if the people doing it aren't very experienced with it. Any real world data will generally undermine the Holocaust.
Archie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:22 pm
Any real world data will generally undermine the Holocaust.
In this case it might undermine the credibility of the out side burning claims. This was all invented by Scharführer Herbert Floß, a genius so great that no one outside the AR camps can recreate it.
Of course the resident RODOH troll will sanctify the veracity of the claim due to eye witness reports and then say, if it happened it is true. The science behind the cremations known by all farmers and Indians has no relevance. At one time in the last incarnation of RODOH, the poster postulated that spontaneious human combustion assisted the process.
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TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 1:17 am
What about local Poles reporting having to scrape the windows of their homes of ash?
It doesn't matter how technically such a genocide happened. It was technically possible because it happened.
Lieutenant Franciszek Ząbecki was a station master at the village of Treblinka(1942–1944). He was a spy. Despite all the alleged cremation with plumes of smoke, he only takes a single photo, not of cremations but the burning of buildings at the uprising when the place was crawling with security. It begs the question, why a man with so much knowledge and a camera to record these events, did not take photos of the alleged crime. I am sure he had many hours alone in that lonely station to gather hard evidence. Why did the spook not take pics of the cremation smoke. As Marian Olszuk saw nothing around the current TII, neither did Zabecki.
Treblinka Uprising and burning building.
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TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:17 pm
The same can be said of the spy at Birkenau photographing cremations outside the Krema V but not taking one inside it.
Indeed this was discussed at length on the last incarnation of RODOH. Sadly a few computers later that information is gone. The topic was on the spaghetti woman in the pile, which appeared to be badly photoshopped of the era it was in.
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TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:17 pm
The same can be said of the spy at Birkenau photographing cremations outside the Krema V but not taking one inside it.
Indeed this was discussed at length on the last incarnation of RODOH. Sadly a few computers later that information is gone. The topic was on the spaghetti woman in the pile, which appeared to be badly photoshopped of the era it was in.
Yes, there were several fishy aspects of the 'photos' in this regard.
Now I wonder. Is Mark Felton a closet Holocaust Denier.
TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:17 pm
The same can be said of the spy at Birkenau photographing cremations outside the Krema V but not taking one inside it.
Indeed this was discussed at length on the last incarnation of RODOH. Sadly a few computers later that information is gone. The topic was on the spaghetti woman in the pile, which appeared to be badly photoshopped of the era it was in.
Yes, there were several fishy aspects of the 'photos' in this regard.
Now I wonder. Is Mark Felton a closet Holocaust Denier.
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TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 12:17 pm
The same can be said of the spy at Birkenau photographing cremations outside the Krema V but not taking one inside it.
Indeed this was discussed at length on the last incarnation of RODOH. Sadly a few computers later that information is gone. The topic was on the spaghetti woman in the pile, which appeared to be badly photoshopped of the era it was in.
This is straw man stuff. Someone did a study on this photograph. Had much higher resolution original OG of the photo. I was trained in a traditional photo development and photomaking dark room with the red light and everything. You? What do you know about photoshop now or OG photoshop dodging and burning a print? More than me? Or you just want to believe whatever you want ?
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erichunt420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:08 am
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This is straw man stuff. Someone did a study on this photograph. Had much higher resolution original OG of the photo. I was trained in a traditional photo development and photomaking dark room with the red light and everything. You? What do you know about photoshop now or OG photoshop dodging and burning a print? More than me? Or you just want to believe whatever you want ?
That's an appeal to one's own credentials, which isn't a valid argument. I recall there were problems with those photos. But then even if they were real, they don't prove what they would have to prove. That there were cremations (attempts?) in Auschwitz isn't really in dispute.
So what would a photo from this prove? It would be still perfectly in line with the Revisionist thesis, but not really help the Exterminationist thesis. Just that it wouldn't contradict this neither.
erichunt420 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2024 2:08 am
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This is straw man stuff. Someone did a study on this photograph. Had much higher resolution original OG of the photo. I was trained in a traditional photo development and photomaking dark room with the red light and everything. You? What do you know about photoshop now or OG photoshop dodging and burning a print? More than me? Or you just want to believe whatever you want ?
That's an appeal to one's own credentials, which isn't a valid argument. I recall there were problems with those photos. But then even if they were real, they don't prove what they would have to prove. That there were cremations (attempts?) in Auschwitz isn't really in dispute.
So what would a photo from this prove? It would be still perfectly in line with the Revisionist thesis, but not really help the Exterminationist thesis. Just that it wouldn't contradict this neither.
In other words, there is no silver bullet for either side of the argument, only circumstantial evidence that apparently converges to a conclusion and that is what both sides offer. Both sides appeal to a conspiracy, Aktion 1005 or the Allies kept a document that would unmask the hoax.