Aktion 1005 Was Not To Destroy Remains?

[Wahrheitssucher]

Are the "graves" proven to not exist?
Are "unicorns" proven to not exist?”

Both use the same logic. Do you agree?

No lol, I think there is credible evidence…

Erm… Ok.
You have confirmed that the problem is that you DO have an unfortunate comprehension disability.

LAST ATTEMPT TO ASSIST YOU:
You weren’t asked if there was ‘evidence’ for either.
You were asked to compare the logic being used in two sentences, arguing for existence of both unicorns and the alleged mass-graves.

[bombsaway]

Are the "graves" proven to not exist?
Are "unicorns" proven to not exist?”

Both use the same logic. Do you agree?

No lol, I think there is credible evidence…

Erm… Ok.
You have confirmed that the problem is that you DO have an unfortunate comprehension disability.

LAST ATTEMPT TO ASSIST YOU:
You weren’t asked if there was ‘evidence’ for either.
You were asked to compare the logic being used in two sentences, arguing for existence of both unicorns and the alleged mass-graves.

I don't use the "proven to not exist" as an argument for why mass graves exist. What i was trying to convey was that keens questionnaire was pointless.

[Keen]

So what? Are the "graves" proven to not exist?

Yes:

CONCLUSION / STATEMENT OF FACT: Applying legal standards used in U.S. courts along with the information presented on this website, Greg Gerdes has LEGALLY PROVEN that the above alleged “huge mass grave discoveries” are fraudulent charades, the Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II mass murder / holocaust allegations are false, and the orthodox holocaust story did not happen as alleged.

NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE - PROVES - NO MASS MURDER

Additionally, and independent of any other reward offered on this website, a reward of - $5,000.00 - will be remitted to anyone who can refute the above conclusion / statement of fact in a publicized debate against Greg Gerdes. Rules are essentially the same as those for the other challenges on this site. Contact Greg Gerdes for details.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

[Keen]

There's evidence of the graves

There is no clear, convincing or credible evidence.

*10 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits in question at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, is - THIS SOBIBOR GRAVE - ??

[Keen]

You reject evidence of mass graves

Liar.

*10 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits in question at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, is - THIS SOBIBOR GRAVE - ??

[Keen]

Does anyone think it is actually possible to wipe a mass grave from existence, leaving no trace, so it appears the ground has never been dug into and bodies buried there?

Yes; You, bombsaway, confused jew and an untold number of other low IQ holoco$t cult members all believe the magically disappearing jew theory.

[Keen]

The bodies were destroyed

FYI. "Destroyed" is a code word the low IQ holoco$t cult members use for "magically disappearing" a body.

[Keen]

Bombsaway is struggling now. Hilarious that someone who uses every semantic and trick in the book to try to justify six million people disappearing can accuse us of semantics.

'If you cannot show us where they went they must have died in the gas chambers etc'.

'If you cannot show us bodies they must have died'.

Honestly these people are pathetic.

"Struggling" is an understatement, but "pathetic" is spot on.

[bombsaway]

bombsaway, if you had 2.145 million of these:



you wouldn't even need to bring up the subject of resettlement, would you?

But all you have is this:

Why are you so sure there isn't crushed bones in these graves? (as forensic reports state)

[Nessie]

The Nazis did not want to risk millions of corpses, in numerous mass graves all over Poland and eastern Europe being found, that could be examined like this;



So they exhumed and cremated the corpses, so the ground ended up a mix of ash, cremains and decomposed larger body parts, that looked like this, at TII.



They did that to prevent body counts, corpse identification and establishing the cause of death. So-called revisionists suggest this is what is at the AR camps;



Undisturbed ground that has never been dug into and contains no human remains, but they fail to provide any archaeological or geophysical evidence to prove that claim.

[Keen]

So they exhumed and cremated the corpses, so the ground ended up a mix of ash, cremains and decomposed larger body parts, that looked like this, at TII.

Is that one of the alleged "huge mass graves" of Treblinka Nessie - Yes. - or - No?

If your answer is yes, then what number is it?

[Keen]

They did that to prevent body counts, corpse identification and establishing the cause of death. So-called revisionists suggest this is what is at the AR camps;



Undisturbed ground that has never been dug into and contains no human remains, but they fail to provide any archaeological or geophysical evidence to prove that claim.

The unsubstantiated allegation that "huge mass graves" exist at Treblinka II has been proven to be a big lie:

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY FIVE PEOPLE.

CLOSING STATEMENT OF FACT: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, this website's opening / fundamental statement of fact can be LEGALLY established as fact in a U.S. court.

NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE - PROVES - NO MASS GRAVES, WHICH - PROVES - ARCHAEOLOGICAL FRAUD

Additionally, and independent of any other reward offered on this website, a reward of - $5,000.00 - will be remitted to anyone who can refute the above closing statement of fact in a publicized debate against Greg Gerdes. Rules are essentially the same as those for the other challenges on this site. Contact Greg Gerdes for details.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

We're waiting on the lying coward Nessie to show us a "huge mass grave" at Treblinka II that contains the remains of 6 people, but this is the best he can do:

[Hektor]

Wrong. When I read Hilberg stating "leave no mass graves", or Himmler ordering "erase the traces", I do not take that literally. It is physically and forensically impossible, to return a mass grave to its original state. They are referring to the cover-up of the murders, by the use of cremation. That neither Hilberg, nor Himmler go into detail about the way cremations would cover up the murders, is either because to them, it is blindingly obvious, or they lack forensic awareness, or they do not think the how, is that important.

I agree that true erasure is physically and forensically impossible, but that is none the less the consensus position on the Holocaust. You are way out in the fringe by claiming that Hilberg and the museums and their sources are all wrong about this.

One of Hilberg's sources is Blobel's postwar statement where he explicitly says that the purpose of his assignment was to erase "all traces of Einsatzgruppen executions". That is, he was to hide the crime itself, not just the victims' identities or their number. Since Blobel is supposed to be the commander of Aktion 1005, he ought to have known what his own job was, but you seem to think you know better.
https://www.whlcollections.org/fulltext/1655-2673/4/

Also relevant: prosecutor Smirnov claimed that as part of Aktion 1005 trees were planted on top of the graves. Other sources claim that branches, tree trunks, grass, flowers, and roads were put on top of the graves. Was this done to render the bodies unidentifiable or uncountable? No, it was done to "camouflage" the graves so that they couldn't be found. Smirnov uses the word "camouflage" several times. Historians like Hilberg adopted his claim.

I can further point out that, from the limited number of attempts to refute revisionists on the subject of mass cremation, none agree with you. No debunker makes mention of the revisionists' supposed misunderstanding of what they believe Aktion 1005 was. All debunkers agree implicitly or explicitly that destroying "all traces" was 1005's goal.
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/by3-exhumation/
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... art-1.html
https://archive.org/details/caseforauschwitz00pelt/

And where attempts were made to debunk Holocaust denial more generally, they just come out and say it: Aktion 1005's purpose was "to hide all evidence of their activities."
https://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/faqs.html
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Yet to assert this addition to Holocaust claims they will assert:

The crimes of the Einsatzgruppen are the best documented of the Holocaust. In addition to survivor, bystander, and perpetrator eyewitness testimony, there is physical evidence in the form of graves and bodies. There are also photographs and we have a nearly complete series of Einsatzgruppen reports (of 195 reports only one is missing). At the time of the Einsatzgruppen trials, the number of Jews that the Einsatzgruppen murdered was placed at a minimum of 1,000,000. Modern research has shown that it is closer to 1,150,000.

https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/e ... ber-killed

That physical evidence that is strangely never shown turns out to be trinket and some smaller grave that are then extrapolated to evidence of their strange figures.

Now I'd of course expect executions of politruks and partisans. Yet they changed this over into an allegation of shooting large numbers of Jews as part of an extermination program.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Good to know that there exists admittedly no paper trail for Aktion 1005 itself.

[Nessie]

This is the most comprehensive exhumation and site examination of an Aktion 1005 mass grave, I have come across.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/07/14/ash ... ern-poland

" The human ashes were unearthed near the former Nazi concentration camp of Soldau.
Polish authorities say they have uncovered two mass graves of human ashes near the former Nazi concentration camp of Soldau.
The discovery was made by the Polish Institute of National Remembrance (IPN), which documents war crimes.
IPN prosecutor Tomasz Jankowski has said that "at least 8,000 people likely died there" given the weight of the human ashes found -- 17.5 tonnes.
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"We have taken samples from the ashes, which will then be studied in the laboratory," Andrzej Ossowski, a genetics researcher at Pomerania Medical University, told AFP.
"We will be able to carry out DNA analyses, which will allow us to learn more about the identity of the victims," he added."