Holocaust Revisionism vs. Flat-Earth Theory

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Stubble wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 2:39 pm ... Kula's columns don't exist ...
There is documentary and witness evidence they did exist. What is your evidence for their non-existence?

(Note - it is quite possible to evidence they did not exist)
The historiography needs revision.
How come so-called revisionists cannot do that? Some have tried, but none of the suggested revisions are well enough evidenced for even so-called revisionists to support any one in particular.
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Nessie wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 3:06 pm There is documentary and witness evidence they did exist. What is your evidence for their non-existence?
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Stubble wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 2:39 pm Mr Hill is not writing history bombs. You asked for an opinion/supposition and he provided one.
That's right, revisionists are not writing history. As weak as revisionists believe orthodox history to be, they're unable to offer an alternative, if they're being honest with themselves. They're just theorists, hence the conspiracy theorist comparison.
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I beg your pardon?

Revisionist documentarians have made great progress in the effort of refining our understanding of the event referred to as 'the holocaust'.

Revisionist authors have also made great strides in both uncovering and exposing the facts of the matter.

That you asked Mr Hill for an opinion, then attacked him for offering an opinion and have now said, this, is quite revealing.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 3:56 pm I beg your pardon?

Revisionist documentarians have made great progress in the effort of refining our understanding of the event referred to as 'the holocaust'.

Revisionist authors have also made great strides in both uncovering and exposing the facts of the matter.

That you asked Mr Hill for an opinion, then attacked him for offering an opinion and have now said, this, is quite revealing.
You are failed revisionists, as you CANNOT even agree on a REVISED narrative! The AR camps were variously, transit, customs, train stops, hygiene stations and property sorting centres. The Kremas were delousing chambers, or could not have been used for delousing, showers, bomb shelters and corpse stores.
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Nessie would walk up to Monet and call him a terrible artist because he wasn't done with his work and what he had finished could not be appreciated with ones nose on the canvas....
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 3:56 pm I beg your pardon?

Revisionist documentarians have made great progress in the effort of refining our understanding of the event referred to as 'the holocaust'.
By writing history I mean, saying what has happened. They have offered theories or speculations, which puts them in the conspiracy theorist camp.
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You're both utterly deranged.

As Archie has told you both ~5 pages ago, the analogy you are straining to make with Flat Earth is a scientific one. Flat Earth is a scientific conspiracy. You got caught with your pants down already once Bombsaway by glossing over this little doozey, probably because you've both been utterly embarrassed in any of the half a dozen chemistry threads:
HansHill wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 6:32 pm
bombsaway wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 4:14 pm Well your assertion with cyanide is "No gassing" so this a negative assertion.
Fair enough it's a negative assertion, in the sense that in a debate (which we are, due to being in the debate forum) there is an affirmative position, and a negative position. So yes I'm in the negative position and you are in the affirmative, but that's not what you originally were arguing.
bombsaway wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 11:16 pm The comparison to flat earth theory I would make here is the similar lack of positive evidence
bombsaway wrote: Mon Aug 18, 2025 3:46 pm (the no positive evidence thing)
bombsaway wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 5:45 pm with no positive evidence.
Then when i listed a small handful of examples of positive evidence it's now "a negative assertion". If you misspoke fine, but HR do promote positive evidence.
You are shifting your embarrassing little analogy away from "you don't offer any evidence" to "you haven't re-written the history of the Soviet Union yet!" while throwing around Reddit tier armchair psychology. I'm waiting for you to tell me how disappointed you are and cut my allowance. Pathetic.

Finally, your history isn't worth the paper its written on since it 1) contradicts reality and 2) has been demonstrated as needing State power to be maintained. East and West.

The clock's ticking on your sham of a genocide.
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bombsaway wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 4:19 pm
Stubble wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 3:56 pm I beg your pardon?

Revisionist documentarians have made great progress in the effort of refining our understanding of the event referred to as 'the holocaust'.
By writing history I mean, saying what has happened. They have offered theories or speculations, which puts them in the conspiracy theorist camp.
No different than the orthodoxy Bombsaway...

I reiterate, the dead are not in the dirt at the Bug river camps, so, 'where'd they go'? (The only people looking for the missing are revisionists)

Your 'consensus' is a giant conspiracy theory that disregards or reinterprets and misrepresents documents, physical evidence and demographics.

/shrug

The truth, it isn't fully known. The event still requires refinement. The failure to refine any understanding and to support an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory falls squarely on those who demand that I accept unironically the lie of 6,000,000.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 4:14 pm Nessie would walk up to Monet and call him a terrible artist because he wasn't done with his work and what he had finished could not be appreciated with ones nose on the canvas....
You have dodged my point, because you cannot refute it. You are not revisionists. Like flat earthers, you have a theory, or should I say theories, none of which you can prove, even to yourselves!
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HansHill wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 4:24 pm You're both utterly deranged.

As Archie has told you both ~5 pages ago, the analogy you are straining to make with Flat Earth is a scientific one. Flat Earth is a scientific conspiracy.
It is a theory, like so-called revisionism, that cannot evidence its core claim and there is a stack of evidence to prove it is wrong.

The earth is not flat and millions of Jews arrested by the Nazis did not survive the war.
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Stubble wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 4:26 pm
The truth, it isn't fully known. The event still requires refinement. The failure to refine any understanding and to support an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory falls squarely on those who demand that I accept unironically the lie of 6,000,000.
The best you can offer is, as I said, a giant question mark. If the supposition is those Jews were sent east and maintained there by the Nazis, that supposition is contradicted by the circumstantial evidence that we have, which is that the Jews there were mass killed.

Look at Kube's document about what happened to the German and Austrian Jews sent to Minsk https://www.yadvashem.org/docs/report-o ... ussia.html

You can go ghetto by ghetto in occupied USSR, and in each place all you will find is evidence of the non-working Jews being mass killed. Therefore the supposition that they were maintained there is without precedent and contradicted by the historical record, it's not evidence based (ie historically valid) to say it's likely that if they made it into the USSR they were maintained there by the Nazis.

This is not an argument why orthodoxy is correct. If you're going abscond responsibility from doing proper history, it's an argument about why your thought leaders are fools.
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bombsaway wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 5:48 pm If the supposition is those Jews were sent east and maintained there by the Nazis
How about you steelman the Revisionist position in that these Jews were not gassed en masse and buried / cremated in the locations asserted?

Let me guess, that's too inconvenient for you.
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bombsaway wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 5:48 pm The best you can offer >currently< is, as I said, a giant question mark.
For fucks sake, do you have any idea the sheer volume of documents I'm currently wrestling with? How difficult this is with my 'cursory' German? The amount of digital tools I am using to transcribe from microfilm reels into text, to verify fidelity to original and then to translate into English and verify verbatim translation?

Even with my refined focus, going from an attempt to conduct an audit of the entire system (by, my, self) to tightening my resolution to the East, the project is VAST.

You don't. You just dismiss the efforts of myself and many others ('Fangers, Nazgul and others). You straight up look at unfinished work, point your finger, and say, 'you are all stupid failure conspiracy theories' while you stand on top of a mound constructed from 6,000,000 lies crowbarred into the historical record by a 'consensus' built to prop up a 'narrative'.

Then you say 'I'm not defending the orthodoxy, I'm calling your 'thought leaders' fools'.

You don't address the problems, you duck dodge dive and wrestle yourself away from that responsibility. Then, you ask 'Where'd they go!'.

I don't know yet Bombsaway, 'where'd they go?'...

I'm going back to hiatus. I only stepped in here for a bit to make a couple clarifications I felt needed to be brought in to focus.
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HansHill wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 5:59 pm
bombsaway wrote: Tue Aug 19, 2025 5:48 pm If the supposition is those Jews were sent east and maintained there by the Nazis
How about you steelman the Revisionist position in that these Jews were not gassed en masse and buried / cremated in the locations asserted?

Let me guess, that's too inconvenient for you.
I could do it easily it's just a question of time. The gist of it is the orthodox narrative, in all of its varied forms, is impossible and/or deeply implausible, based on scientific principles, the forensic evidence available, and the muddled witness statements. Beyond this, there is a direct analogy made between asserting a historical event and prosecuting a crime, and since orthodoxy has failed to live up the rigor of such prosecution, the event cannot be reasonably asserted.
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