Bischoff Letter

[ConfusedJew]

Nonresponsive.

Your only counterpoint is that we should believe the 300 mph if witnesses corroborate this. No. If X is false, it does not matter how many witnesses claim X. It is still false, and all of the witnesses are wrong. The testimonies on the cremation capacity are all over the place and they are uniformly too high.

See the table here. Many of them claimed around 10,000 per day which is just totally absurd.
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/histo ... n-jan/826/

You failed to address the point about how Pressac dismisses this number as purely hypothetical and unrealistic.

You failed to address my point about the implications for the non-extermination camps.

The analogy is really off.

First, nowhere have you shown me that it is impossible to have cremated 1,400 people per day in the larger crematorium. like with anything, you need to look at the holistic body of evidence and see what it points to. Very few people would have any sense or experience with actual numbers so obviously you have to take that with a grain of salt. The math I did is pretty basic and can get you to 1,400 per day without stretching.

The gassings lasted 32 months from late 1941 to spring of 1944. That's 960 days. At about 1,000,000 deaths overall, that only requires there to be about 1,000 deaths per day across the entire camp. It's not difficult to see how it mathematically could have worked with plenty of room to spare.

[ConfusedJew]

Well, I understand the 'don't call a party on the other side a liar' rule now.

Thanks.

>mumbles<

So, about Pressac saying that the ventilation for the morgue were fit for morgues, since it never got a response, it just hangs, because, it is demonstrable and patent, and CJ's false statements about it have 0 accountability.

I did not see what you claimed when I looked at the actual Pressac book. I'm battling like 12 people here mostly by myself. I'm not going to catch everything on here.

I might have to take a break from this for awhile because I see the big picture of where the disagreements are but I want to find a way to address the whole thing with less time and energy which may take some time to figure out. I literally might try to find a chemist who can mansplain some of this stuff to all of you.

[TlsMS93]

First, nowhere have you shown me that it is impossible to have cremated 1,400 people per day in the larger crematorium. like with anything, you need to look at the holistic body of evidence and see what it points to. Very few people would have any sense or experience with actual numbers so obviously you have to take that with a grain of salt. The math I did is pretty basic and can get you to 1,400 per day without stretching.

The gassings lasted 32 months from late 1941 to spring of 1944. That's 960 days. At about 1,000,000 deaths overall, that only requires there to be about 1,000 deaths per day across the entire camp. It's not difficult to see how it mathematically could have worked with plenty of room to spare.

They didn't even have enough coal for 20% of that total, and the 52 muffle furnaces didn't operate 24/7 during their existence, nor did they operate during the 960 days of their existence. This alone demonstrates how disconnected they are from the facts.

Exterminationists need minute-long cremations because otherwise subsequent gassings create a bottleneck in the process, and the alleged number is never reached. But exterminationists like Pressac and Fritjof Meyer don't make such claims.

[Wetzelrad]

You are deeply delusional if you think tens of thousands of many kinds of testifiers all came up with the same lies and stories.

These "tens of thousands" you believe in would only be acting in their own self interest. Not the least bit improbable, judging by what we see in Jewish responses to the massacre of Gaza currently ongoing.

Would be much easier to get a Camry going 300 mph than to pull off that accomplishment.

Here is where the analogy is very fruitful. Holocaust Defenders, when forced to confront real numbers, bestow superpowers upon the Camry. That is, they imagine the Germans must have engineered a way for the Camry to move much faster than it was physically built for. It doesn't occur to them what occurs naturally to the German mind, that the problem is easily solved by splitting the task across multiple Camrys (building more crematoria) or by employing a different vehicle (multi corpse incinerator).

[Callafangers]

Those weren't lies. Some of those were AI hallucinations, some of those I'm still not sure whether or not they are true, and I was exploring the ferric ion angle but it turned out to not be fruitful.

I literally have no interest in deceiving anybody here, would be a total waste of my time.

You are factually a liar. You have presented yourself dishonestly since day one. Once again (I made a whole thread about it, with receipts): https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=339

You can't simply say false things then blame an AI -- you are responsible for anything you copy-paste from an AI without quoting it as such.

If what you say is false or unknown to you, and if you presented it as your own words, this is you being dishonest -- this is you being a liar. But this adds on to the more overt, undeniable lying you did from your introduction here on the forum, linked above.

I don't intend to dwell on this point, which is what I think we want to avoid on the forum overall, but it needs to be made clear in reasonable measure (every once in awhile, so long as your behavior remains constant) just how dishonest you are (presented in an evidence-based fashion), so that we don't risk allowing you to mislead any of our readers.

To recap:

• You copy-paste AI slop that is often false, then you frequently fail to concede (1) that it was AI to begin with, or (2) that it was wrong.
• You pretend to be engaged in the debate but are actually not reading any of the materials, simply spamming AI output.
• You pretended to be a "curious Jew", but it's become clear you are a scheming tribesman with ulterior [Jewish] motives.

Once again: this altogether makes you a liar. You are not honest, other than by circumstance or convenience. You are misleading people, misrepresenting your own expertise, etc. This is dishonest.

[Stubble]

Well, I understand the 'don't call a party on the other side a liar' rule now.

Thanks.

>mumbles<

So, about Pressac saying that the ventilation for the morgue were fit for morgues, since it never got a response, it just hangs, because, it is demonstrable and patent, and CJ's false statements about it have 0 accountability.

I did not see what you claimed when I looked at the actual Pressac book. I'm battling like 12 people here mostly by myself. I'm not going to catch everything on here.

I might have to take a break from this for awhile because I see the big picture of where the disagreements are but I want to find a way to address the whole thing with less time and energy which may take some time to figure out. I literally might try to find a chemist who can mansplain some of this stuff to all of you.

Now fully addressed in last post of thread. I went ahead and quoted and linked each page for you, nothing up my sleeve, not magic, just truth.

You, made false claims about the ventilation, you never addressed my assertions to the contrary, then, you directly stated that Pressac didn't say, exactly, what he said, verbatim. He, in fact, in truth, in reality, very plainly, and without mincing any words, stated, flatly, that the ventilation in the LK-1's situated at Kremas II and III in Auschwitz Birkenau, were appropriate for a morgue and were not in any way modified to be used as gas chambers.

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13881#p13881

[Wetzelrad]

What do you estimate the cremation capacity was for Dachau and Buchenwald?

I have low expectations for this debate, but here is Carlo Mattogno's chart comparing capacity and mortality in these three camps. He gives this in response to both Robert Jan van Pelt and John C. Zimmerman, the latter of which stupidly claimed Dachau had a higher prisoner population than Auschwitz.

table of camp mortality and planned cremation oven muffle capacity.jpg (76.02 KiB) Viewed 91 times

Looked at Buchenwald [...]
we should note here that the camps could hold roughly the same amount of inmates but Auschwitz had 8x the indoor cremation capacity, assuming the same furnaces and muffles were used (6.5 x if we include the transportable one)

Buchenwald peaked at 85,900 inmates, but it held much fewer at the time that the crematorium was being planned. Auschwitz peaked at 135,168 inmates with the inclusion of the transit camp, and there were orders to expand to 200,000 at the time that the crematoria were being planned. These are not roughly the same.

Regardless, the relevant factor was not capacity but real mortality. By that metric Auschwitz was underequipped, or Buchenwald was overequipped.

[TlsMS93]

What do you estimate the cremation capacity was for Dachau and Buchenwald?

I have low expectations for this debate, but here is Carlo Mattogno's chart comparing capacity and mortality in these three camps. He gives this in response to both Robert Jan van Pelt and John C. Zimmerman, the latter of which stupidly claimed Dachau had a higher prisoner population than Auschwitz.


table of camp mortality and planned cremation oven muffle capacity.jpg

Looked at Buchenwald [...]
we should note here that the camps could hold roughly the same amount of inmates but Auschwitz had 8x the indoor cremation capacity, assuming the same furnaces and muffles were used (6.5 x if we include the transportable one)

Buchenwald peaked at 85,900 inmates, but it held much fewer at the time that the crematorium was being planned. Auschwitz peaked at 135,168 inmates with the inclusion of the transit camp, and there were orders to expand to 200,000 at the time that the crematoria were being planned. These are not roughly the same.

Regardless, the relevant factor was not capacity but real mortality. By that metric Auschwitz was underequipped, or Buchenwald was overequipped.

It's so simple, but the recalcitrant prefer to fight against reason. This sounds very religious. People are reluctant to accept certain truths because it's too heavy to give up the lie. They even make them something existential. What are we without the Holocaust, the Jew must think? How will we maintain our unity?

[bombsaway]

Looked at Buchenwald [...]
we should note here that the camps could hold roughly the same amount of inmates but Auschwitz had 8x the indoor cremation capacity, assuming the same furnaces and muffles were used (6.5 x if we include the transportable one)

Buchenwald peaked at 85,900 inmates, but it held much fewer at the time that the crematorium was being planned. Auschwitz peaked at 135,168 inmates with the inclusion of the transit camp, and there were orders to expand to 200,000 at the time that the crematoria were being planned. These are not roughly the same.

Regardless, the relevant factor was not capacity but real mortality. By that metric Auschwitz was underequipped, or Buchenwald was overequipped.

How many died at Auschwitz vs Buchenwald?

[Wetzelrad]

How many died at Auschwitz vs Buchenwald?

Again, at Auschwitz, when the construction of Crematoria III, IV, and V was ordered in August 1942, monthly mortality hit a peak of 8,600.
In Buchenwald, the construction of the new furnaces was ordered around April 1942, when mortality was 337.
In Dachau, when the new crematorium was being planned in March 1942, mortality was 66.

The higher cremation capacity at Auschwitz obviously reflects the typhus epidemic afflicting the camp at that time.

[bombsaway]

How many died at Auschwitz vs Buchenwald?

Again, at Auschwitz, when the construction of Crematoria III, IV, and V was ordered in August 1942, monthly mortality hit a peak of 8,600.
In Buchenwald, the construction of the new furnaces was ordered around April 1942, when mortality was 337.
In Dachau, when the new crematorium was being planned in March 1942, mortality was 66.

The higher cremation capacity at Auschwitz obviously reflects the typhus epidemic afflicting the camp at that time.

I mean I think it's speculative to say that the Nazis didn't expect to get the typhus epidemic under control (which would necessitate the construction of so many furnaces in the revisionist frame, otherwise no need). W Auschwitz there are multiple documents where planners account for disposing of thousands of bodies per day, are there are any similar documents for other camps?

[Nessie]

If you have a ton of people testifying separately that they made it to 300 mph, then different evidence is beginning to converge which makes the claim more credible.

Absolutely not -- the claim never becomes credible since a Camry simply does not reach 300 mph (the analogy assumes a stock model). Because a Camry cannot reach 300 mph, an infinite number of witnesses saying otherwise only means we have an infinite number of liars or ignoramuses.

Now, if we have additional evidence showing a pattern of lies, that helps explain the situation.

Those crematoria could not reach 4,756 daily, and we indeed have a pattern of lies regarding Birkenau and the 'Holocaust'.

CJ is evidentially correct.

1 - When multiple witnesses make the same claim, that claim gains credibility.

2 - When that group of witnesses are from different groups, who are not inclined to cooperate or collude, and one group is being accused of a criminal act, and they are from different countries speaking different languages, the group claim gains even more credibility.

3 - When no witnesses can be traced, who provide an alternative narrative, then the group claim gains yet more credibility.

Now, your analogy "assumes a stock model". But, the Kremas were not "stock". There are numerous documents recording extensive modifications to them. They were altered in a way that cannot be found for any other crematoriums. There is no crematorium in the world, that has a heated undressing room, gas chamber and ovens to cremate multiple corpses at the same time. The modifications are unique to A-B. The analogy should be that it was a heavily modified Camry.

There is also evidence of usage, from the selection process, whereby people not needed for work were sent to the Kremas, which had a staff of over 1,700 in July 1944, working two 12-hour shifts. Those people then disappear from all Nazi transport and camp records and their property ends up being sorted and sold.

Witnesses, documents and circumstantial evidence all corroborates, to prove the Bischoff Letter and the claim is makes about large volume cremations, is correct.

[Nessie]

Nonresponsive.

Your only counterpoint is that we should believe the 300 mph if witnesses corroborate this. No. If X is false, it does not matter how many witnesses claim X. It is still false, and all of the witnesses are wrong. The testimonies on the cremation capacity are all over the place and they are uniformly too high.

See the table here. Many of them claimed around 10,000 per day which is just totally absurd.
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/histo ... n-jan/826/

You failed to address the point about how Pressac dismisses this number as purely hypothetical and unrealistic.

You failed to address my point about the implications for the non-extermination camps.

The analogy is really off.

First, nowhere have you shown me that it is impossible to have cremated 1,400 people per day in the larger crematorium. like with anything, you need to look at the holistic body of evidence and see what it points to. Very few people would have any sense or experience with actual numbers so obviously you have to take that with a grain of salt. The math I did is pretty basic and can get you to 1,400 per day without stretching.

The gassings lasted 32 months from late 1941 to spring of 1944. That's 960 days. At about 1,000,000 deaths overall, that only requires there to be about 1,000 deaths per day across the entire camp. It's not difficult to see how it mathematically could have worked with plenty of room to spare.

This is the part the so-called revisionists do not understand. They think that because they cannot work out how mass cremations were possible, based on claims made, they cannot have happened. CJ knows that just because he thinks he can work out how they were possible, also does not mean they can have happened.

CJ understands that evidence is needed to determine what happened inside the Kremas. There is evidence from multiple, corroborating sources, that the Krema ovens were capable of multiple corpse cremations and they had a very high capacity.

[Wahrheitssucher]

It's so simple, but the recalcitrant prefer to fight against reason.
…People are reluctant to accept certain truths because it's too heavy to give up the lie.
They even make them something existential. Jews must think: ‘What are we without the Holocaust? How will we maintain our unity?’

Yes!
I admire the patience of those prepared to go over and over the fairly simple and straightforward details of the legally protected mass-gassing narrative that defy basic science.

I admire it because it values stating truth above being appreciated, or respected, let alone thanked.

How many recalcitrant true-believers in the mass-gassing mythology have ever been corrected, or ever acknowledged the absurdity of some of the sacrosanct holyH beliefs?

I’m not aware of a single person over a decade of following these online debates.

I admire the patient explanations, as apparently increasing numbers are realising the truth of the revisionist argument. And that presumably is due to a great degree from people anonymously visiting CODOH.

It was from anonymously reading the discussions on CODOH as a newbie to the topic that I myself realised that the true-believers who try to defend the flaws have no logical argument.
The mass-gassing-of-millions narrative has no credibility.
The Holocaust-Emperor is nude!!!



People — especially jewish ones — are unable to admit the truths of holocaust revisionism not because they are so complex and technical. Most of the core issues aren’t.
I think they are unable to accept these truths because they subliminally fear they cannot handle the psychological disturbance that will result.

[Fred Ziffel]

If these ovens had such burn capability, when were the refractory bricks changed out? the way I figure, the refractory would have to be changed out once every 21 days