Bischoff Letter

[ConfusedJew]

if you want more I can bring receipts.

Are we doing the "lets show Confused Jew all of his lies" part of the show now?

TAG ME IN BROTHER HH

First attempt at spotting a lie was just true, bring it on! 0 for 1.

[TlsMS93]

Even if the day had three times as many hours as it does, the 52 ovens wouldn't be enough to cremate Bischoff's alleged number.

Just because it's written doesn't make it real. Testing, forensic analysis of the alleged object, and details provided by those who designed and operated them are necessary. There's a major contradiction between the design and operation, as well as a major contradiction in details such as the amount of material fed into the ovens in the field.

So, showing off this document, which not even exterminationists take seriously, is deluding yourself.

[ConfusedJew]

Even if the day had three times as many hours as it does, the 52 ovens wouldn't be enough to cremate Bischoff's alleged number.

Just because it's written doesn't make it real. Testing, forensic analysis of the alleged object, and details provided by those who designed and operated them are necessary. There's a major contradiction between the design and operation, as well as a major contradiction in details such as the amount of material fed into the ovens in the field.

So, showing off this document, which not even exterminationists take seriously, is deluding yourself.

It's very basic math. There were 15 ovens in Krema II, if each oven could cremate 1 person every 15 minutes, which was reasonable as many people, including Nazis, said that they overloaded the ovens, you could cremate 1,440 in a day. Even if you haircut that by 20%, for downtime and inefficiency, you could still do over 1,150 in a 24 hour periods which adds up over a year.

Stop trying to nitpick tiny things especially when you don't have any evidence. I still find it very difficult to believe that you guys actually believe this and aren't just sociopathic trolls.

[TlsMS93]

A body every 15 minutes, man, go to hell.

[HansHill]

if you want more I can bring receipts.

Are we doing the "lets show Confused Jew all of his lies" part of the show now?

TAG ME IN BROTHER HH

First attempt at spotting a lie was just true, bring it on! 0 for 1.

From just the first 9 pages of your shambolic "Forensic Chemistry" (I had to stop reading because I was losing IQ points reading it)

3. Alkaline conditions - Prussian blue forms best in basic conditions; gas chamber walls were often neutral or acidic, which inhibits the reaction.

The delousing chambers had exposed red clay brick walls

But the homicidal gas chambers do not show any signs of PB because they were lacking the necessary reactive iron so it never formed in the first place.

Prussian blue (ferric ferrocyanide) forms only under neutral to mildly acidic conditions.

Homicidal chambers used only ~300 ppm

Forensic studies showed that the plaster in LK1 had very low permeability.

the swinging door was adequate to do the job

Separately, Zyklon B introduction vents are still visible in ruins of Krema II and III.

SS engineer Karl Bischoff’s correspondence provides very clear details on the ventilation and referred to Auschwitz as an extermination camp on 2 September 1942.

From what I see right now, the "non delousing" chambers lacked the right kind of iron

the floor and walls were dry at the start of each gassing

The detection limit was ~1 mg/kg

Architectural Blueprints for gas-tight doors, ventilation shafts, gas introduction columns

I'm tagging Mr Stubble back in

[bombsaway]

why do you guys think these are lies lol? I can't think of a better exemplar for your particular brand of insanity.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... ry-entry-3
1
: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
She was lying when she said she didn't break the vase.
He lied about his past experience.

[Stubble]

why do you guys think these are lies lol? I can't think of a better exemplar for your particular brand of insanity.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... ry-entry-3
1
: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
She was lying when she said she didn't break the vase.
He lied about his past experience.

I'm using the familiar, a false statement, untrue.

You are using the textbook.

I suppose we could argue lexicon, is it the word as it lives, or as it is written, but, that seems rather pointless.

The fact remains that figures were given that do not comport with reality, and from that was spun a delusion, which live on in the head of one confused jew. I don't know how else to put it really.

[ConfusedJew]

Those weren't lies. Some of those were AI hallucinations, some of those I'm still not sure whether or not they are true, and I was exploring the ferric ion angle but it turned out to not be fruitful.

I literally have no interest in deceiving anybody here, would be a total waste of my time.

[bombsaway]

why do you guys think these are lies lol? I can't think of a better exemplar for your particular brand of insanity.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... ry-entry-3
1
: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
She was lying when she said she didn't break the vase.
He lied about his past experience.

I'm using the familiar, a false statement, untrue.

You are using the textbook.

I suppose we could argue lexicon, is it the word as it lives, or as it is written, but, that seems rather pointless.

The fact remains that figures were given that do not comport with reality, and from that was spun a delusion, which live on in the head of one confused jew. I don't know how else to put it really.

I don't buy it lol

https://chatgpt.com/share/68928871-bbe4 ... 6e977567b2

When someone accuses another of lying, they almost always mean the person is intentionally trying to deceive — not just that they are saying something untrue.

I'm not even going to say you're lying about what you meant here. Likely you realized how stupid it was to believe that Confused Jew has been lying - the evidence is overwhelming that these are AI hallucinations and his repeated use of them as well as transparency about it is evidence of honesty - and are internally backtracking. But the damage has been done, you and HansHill have shown your biases and their reality distorting effect.

It's obvious what an anti semite means when they're talking about lying Jews and such.

[Archie]

A couple of preliminary points

-This document is quite well-known
-You yourself brought it up about a week ago (you probably don't even realize you did since all your posts are copy-paste)

I pointed out to you in the Pressac thread that Pressac himself does not take the numbers in this document seriously. He says it is "a purely hypothetical figure based on no practice of any sort."
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13295#p13295

If I have a "document," even an "authentic" one, that says that a Toyota Camry has a top speed of 300 mph, this does not prove that the car can actually go 300 mph. We know it can't, no matter what it says on some piece of paper. Numbers on a paper can be wrong.

If you have a ton of people testifying separately that they made it to 300 mph, then different evidence is beginning to converge which makes the claim more credible.

Secondly, the car didn't need to be able to reach 300 mph.

Third, so many people said it was physically impossible here.

You are moving the goal posts which is fine but I just want to call it out for what it is

Nonresponsive.

Your only counterpoint is that we should believe the 300 mph if witnesses corroborate this. No. If X is false, it does not matter how many witnesses claim X. It is still false, and all of the witnesses are wrong. The testimonies on the cremation capacity are all over the place and they are uniformly too high.

See the table here. Many of them claimed around 10,000 per day which is just totally absurd.
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/histo ... n-jan/826/

You failed to address the point about how Pressac dismisses this number as purely hypothetical and unrealistic.

You failed to address my point about the implications for the non-extermination camps.

[bombsaway]

A couple of preliminary points

-This document is quite well-known
-You yourself brought it up about a week ago (you probably don't even realize you did since all your posts are copy-paste)

I pointed out to you in the Pressac thread that Pressac himself does not take the numbers in this document seriously. He says it is "a purely hypothetical figure based on no practice of any sort."
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13295#p13295

If I have a "document," even an "authentic" one, that says that a Toyota Camry has a top speed of 300 mph, this does not prove that the car can actually go 300 mph. We know it can't, no matter what it says on some piece of paper. Numbers on a paper can be wrong.

If you have a ton of people testifying separately that they made it to 300 mph, then different evidence is beginning to converge which makes the claim more credible.

Secondly, the car didn't need to be able to reach 300 mph.

Third, so many people said it was physically impossible here.

You are moving the goal posts which is fine but I just want to call it out for what it is

Nonresponsive.

Your only counterpoint is that we should believe the 300 mph if witnesses corroborate this. No. If X is false, it does not matter how many witnesses claim X. It is still false, and all of the witnesses are wrong. The testimonies on the cremation capacity are all over the place and they are uniformly too high.

See the table here. Many of them claimed around 10,000 per day which is just totally absurd.
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/histo ... n-jan/826/

You failed to address the point about how Pressac dismisses this number as purely hypothetical and unrealistic.

You failed to address my point about the implications for the non-extermination camps.

Bischoff's numbers are clearly problematic in that they assign no downtime, but this is obvious. The rate of 15 minutes per body is something of a reasonable expected output given certain requirements - eg how completely burned the bodies would be. We know at Theresienstadt bodies could be cremated in under 30 minutes.

List of cremations from Theresienstadt between 3 October to 15 November 1943 according to which the cremation time was less than 35 min in 72% cases (Mattogno, ATCFS, p. 279).

I see no reason why 15 minutes is impossible, a violation of physics etc. At a certain point you can just have bodies that are burned through to a lesser extent. Even if Bishcoff's letter is technically infeasible, it's still damning, because in a non extermination camp there would be no need to cremate 5000 bodies per day, nowhere close to that.

[Stubble]

Well, I understand the 'don't call a party on the other side a liar' rule now.

Thanks.

>mumbles<

So, about Pressac saying that the ventilation for the morgue were fit for morgues, since it never got a response, it just hangs, because, it is demonstrable and patent, and CJ's false statements about it have 0 accountability.

Hide behind that fig leaf if you want, but, it make you look like you squat when you pee.

Better to own up to being wrong than to be thought a liar me thinks...

Apologies for thread drift, I will speak no more to this. And I fully understand the reason for the forum rule. This is nothing but a distraction.

[Archie]

If you have a ton of people testifying separately that they made it to 300 mph, then different evidence is beginning to converge which makes the claim more credible.

Secondly, the car didn't need to be able to reach 300 mph.

Third, so many people said it was physically impossible here.

You are moving the goal posts which is fine but I just want to call it out for what it is

Nonresponsive.

Your only counterpoint is that we should believe the 300 mph if witnesses corroborate this. No. If X is false, it does not matter how many witnesses claim X. It is still false, and all of the witnesses are wrong. The testimonies on the cremation capacity are all over the place and they are uniformly too high.

See the table here. Many of them claimed around 10,000 per day which is just totally absurd.
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/histo ... n-jan/826/

You failed to address the point about how Pressac dismisses this number as purely hypothetical and unrealistic.

You failed to address my point about the implications for the non-extermination camps.

Bischoff's numbers are clearly problematic in that they assign no downtime, but this is obvious. The rate of 15 minutes per body is something of a reasonable expected output given certain requirements - eg how completely burned the bodies would be. We know at Theresienstadt bodies could be cremated in under 30 minutes.

List of cremations from Theresienstadt between 3 October to 15 November 1943 according to which the cremation time was less than 35 min in 72% cases (Mattogno, ATCFS, p. 279).

I see no reason why 15 minutes is impossible, a violation of physics etc. At a certain point you can just have bodies that are burned through to a lesser extent. Even if Bishcoff's letter is technically infeasible, it's still damning, because in a non extermination camp there would be no need to cremate 5000 bodies per day, nowhere close to that.

What do you estimate the cremation capacity was for Dachau and Buchenwald?

[TlsMS93]

But were the Theresienstadt furnaces the same as those at Auschwitz, both operationally and structurally? Wow, Mattogno has already gone into this in depth, and here we are insisting on debating technical issues with those who refuse to even consider the revisionist perspective.

[bombsaway]

What do you estimate the cremation capacity was for Dachau and Buchenwald?

Looked at Buchenwald, the muffle count is 6 according to AI

https://chatgpt.com/share/68929737-df38 ... cd4dff9fd6

therefore at Bischoff's rate they could do 600 or so per day, and there was a transportable one there too so maybe this should be a little higher - don't know how to evaluate that since it may have only been used temporarily

we should note here that the camps could hold roughly the same amount of inmates but Auschwitz had 8x the indoor cremation capacity, assuming the same furnaces and muffles were used (6.5 x if we include the transportable one)