Nessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:37 am
Witness speak to TII having a station inside the camp. They are not talking about the Malkinia camp people had to walk to.
You are not reading the posts above, you are not in context, not on the same page. We are discussing the issue of the Treblinka location due to quite a few bits of contradictory evidence you accept.
We were discussing the train time to the Treblinka camp, which cannot be done with a fully loaded steam train in that time ( 60 wagons and 6000 people). Google states that the time to travel from Malkinia station to Treblinka station is 6 mins by car. The rail track was adjacent to the road all the way.
I suggested that the report of the Holocaust Encyclopedia which places Treblinka 4 km NW of the Treblinka railway station coincides with Wierniks first Treblinka map. Perhaps the train went there, a feasible 7 mins or so. I know the narrative so please do not repeat it, I am grappling with anomalies from other witnesses.
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Nessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:37 am
Witness speak to TII having a station inside the camp. They are not talking about the Malkinia camp people had to walk to.
You are not reading the posts above, you are not in context, not on the same page. We are discussing the issue of the Treblinka location due to quite a few bits of contradictory evidence you accept.
There is no contradictory evidence from the witnesses and documents. They corroborate mass transports to the TII camp.
We were discussing the train time to the Treblinka camp, which cannot be done with a fully loaded steam train in that time ( 60 wagons and 6000 people). Google states that the time to travel from Malkinia station to Treblinka station is 6 mins by car. The rail track was adjacent to the road all the way.
I suggested that the report of the Holocaust Encyclopedia which places Treblinka 4 km NW of the Treblinka railway station coincides with Wierniks first Treblinka map. Perhaps the train went there, a feasible 7 mins or so. I know the narrative so please do not repeat it, I am grappling with anomalies from other witnesses.
Your quibble over the time is a desperate attempt to contribute to the debate. The time will refer to the short journey, as described by witnesses, when the train moved from Malkinia to where in Treblinka it waited till there was space to shunt it into the camp.
Nessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:40 pm
There is no contradictory evidence from the witnesses and documents. They corroborate mass transports to the TII camp.
The narrative is well known, there is no need to constantly repeat it. Nothing is added. In fact you have changed your tune, from the previous thought there was no shunting at Treblinka.
Your quibble over the time is a desperate attempt to contribute to the debate. The time will refer to the short journey, as described by witnesses, when the train moved from Malkinia to where in Treblinka it waited till there was space to shunt it into the camp.
7-8 minutes, with a heavy load for a steam train to travel that distance is impossible. To leave the Malkinia station and get to the point to head on the Siedlce line would take that time. The time is in two Fplo documents. A car takes 6 mins and that accelerates and slows down considerably faster than a steam train fully laden. The Olszuk infomation confirms the current TII were the Judenlagers attached to the quarry arbeitslager. This account for the reports of hookers and trading going on. Perhaps the extermination camp was at Kosow Lascki as the CIA mentioned a few km south. Perhaps Czerwony bor, both maybe, or another possibility. A closed mind prevents you from investigating contradictory information.
Wenn Sie lernen, die Reise zu lieben, werden Sie nie enttäuscht sein.
Nessie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:40 pm
There is no contradictory evidence from the witnesses and documents. They corroborate mass transports to the TII camp.
The narrative is well known, there is no need to constantly repeat it. Nothing is added. In fact you have changed your tune, from the previous thought there was no shunting at Treblinka.
You made that up, at no point have I said there was no shunting for the trains entering TII.
Your quibble over the time is a desperate attempt to contribute to the debate. The time will refer to the short journey, as described by witnesses, when the train moved from Malkinia to where in Treblinka it waited till there was space to shunt it into the camp.
7-8 minutes, with a heavy load for a steam train to travel that distance is impossible. To leave the Malkinia station and get to the point to head on the Siedlce line would take that time. The time is in two Fplo documents. A car takes 6 mins and that accelerates and slows down considerably faster than a steam train fully laden. The Olszuk infomation confirms the current TII were the Judenlagers attached to the quarry arbeitslager. This account for the reports of hookers and trading going on. Perhaps the extermination camp was at Kosow Lascki as the CIA mentioned a few km south. Perhaps Czerwony bor, both maybe, or another possibility. A closed mind prevents you from investigating contradictory information.
My mind is open to evidence, rather than your unevidenced arguments. Shunting and long waits are evidenced to have happened. The 7-8 minutes is not going to be the time it took to get from Malkinia to TII, or even the station at Treblinka, but to where trains waited for shunting into the camp.
