A New Revisionist Interpretation of Operation Reinhardt

[Nazgul]

Witness speak to TII having a station inside the camp. They are not talking about the Malkinia camp people had to walk to.

You are not reading the posts above, you are not in context, not on the same page. We are discussing the issue of the Treblinka location due to quite a few bits of contradictory evidence you accept.

We were discussing the train time to the Treblinka camp, which cannot be done with a fully loaded steam train in that time ( 60 wagons and 6000 people). Google states that the time to travel from Malkinia station to Treblinka station is 6 mins by car. The rail track was adjacent to the road all the way.

I suggested that the report of the Holocaust Encyclopedia which places Treblinka 4 km NW of the Treblinka railway station coincides with Wierniks first Treblinka map. Perhaps the train went there, a feasible 7 mins or so. I know the narrative so please do not repeat it, I am grappling with anomalies from other witnesses.

[Nessie]

Witness speak to TII having a station inside the camp. They are not talking about the Malkinia camp people had to walk to.

You are not reading the posts above, you are not in context, not on the same page. We are discussing the issue of the Treblinka location due to quite a few bits of contradictory evidence you accept.

There is no contradictory evidence from the witnesses and documents. They corroborate mass transports to the TII camp.

We were discussing the train time to the Treblinka camp, which cannot be done with a fully loaded steam train in that time ( 60 wagons and 6000 people). Google states that the time to travel from Malkinia station to Treblinka station is 6 mins by car. The rail track was adjacent to the road all the way.

I suggested that the report of the Holocaust Encyclopedia which places Treblinka 4 km NW of the Treblinka railway station coincides with Wierniks first Treblinka map. Perhaps the train went there, a feasible 7 mins or so. I know the narrative so please do not repeat it, I am grappling with anomalies from other witnesses.

Your quibble over the time is a desperate attempt to contribute to the debate. The time will refer to the short journey, as described by witnesses, when the train moved from Malkinia to where in Treblinka it waited till there was space to shunt it into the camp.

[Nazgul]

There is no contradictory evidence from the witnesses and documents. They corroborate mass transports to the TII camp.

The narrative is well known, there is no need to constantly repeat it. Nothing is added. In fact you have changed your tune, from the previous thought there was no shunting at Treblinka.

Your quibble over the time is a desperate attempt to contribute to the debate. The time will refer to the short journey, as described by witnesses, when the train moved from Malkinia to where in Treblinka it waited till there was space to shunt it into the camp.

7-8 minutes, with a heavy load for a steam train to travel that distance is impossible. To leave the Malkinia station and get to the point to head on the Siedlce line would take that time. The time is in two Fplo documents. A car takes 6 mins and that accelerates and slows down considerably faster than a steam train fully laden. The Olszuk infomation confirms the current TII were the Judenlagers attached to the quarry arbeitslager. This account for the reports of hookers and trading going on. Perhaps the extermination camp was at Kosow Lascki as the CIA mentioned a few km south. Perhaps Czerwony bor, both maybe, or another possibility. A closed mind prevents you from investigating contradictory information.

[Nessie]

There is no contradictory evidence from the witnesses and documents. They corroborate mass transports to the TII camp.

The narrative is well known, there is no need to constantly repeat it. Nothing is added. In fact you have changed your tune, from the previous thought there was no shunting at Treblinka.

You made that up, at no point have I said there was no shunting for the trains entering TII.

Your quibble over the time is a desperate attempt to contribute to the debate. The time will refer to the short journey, as described by witnesses, when the train moved from Malkinia to where in Treblinka it waited till there was space to shunt it into the camp.

7-8 minutes, with a heavy load for a steam train to travel that distance is impossible. To leave the Malkinia station and get to the point to head on the Siedlce line would take that time. The time is in two Fplo documents. A car takes 6 mins and that accelerates and slows down considerably faster than a steam train fully laden. The Olszuk infomation confirms the current TII were the Judenlagers attached to the quarry arbeitslager. This account for the reports of hookers and trading going on. Perhaps the extermination camp was at Kosow Lascki as the CIA mentioned a few km south. Perhaps Czerwony bor, both maybe, or another possibility. A closed mind prevents you from investigating contradictory information.

My mind is open to evidence, rather than your unevidenced arguments. Shunting and long waits are evidenced to have happened. The 7-8 minutes is not going to be the time it took to get from Malkinia to TII, or even the station at Treblinka, but to where trains waited for shunting into the camp.

[curioussoul]

That fits with the corroborated testimony of people being told they were going for a shower, when the showers were in fact gas chambers. Descriptions of gas chambers made to look like showers are corroborated by finding remains of tiles matching witness descriptions.

It does not. Being resettled in Ukraine, among other places, is the documented German policy on the Jews during the war. The fact eye-witnesses are corroborating the Germans to have explained this fact to the resettled Jews is demonstrative of this policy, not of a different policy for which there is no evidence.

I like the way you say "demonstrated" rather than evidenced

"demonstrate: to make evident or establish by arguments or reasoning; prove.

Synonyms: corroborate, verify, confirm, show."

[erichunt420]

Deniers are too lazy to do what I did with that document. Let alone go further. Because they can't find more transited Jews or they are too lazy? Which one? Inquiring minds want to know.

You're asking for 'transited Jews' no one was looking for, for nearly 50 years, in places they likely wouldn't have survived in to begin with; all behind an 'Iron Curtain', and in addition to the fact of narratives of this kind clearly being falsified to suggest 'extermination' (hence myriad false atrocity stories).

Your assumption that there must be 'transited Jews' found and identified as such is invalid. The burden of proof is upon exterminationists to prove extermination; but problems with their crime scene, murder weapon, claimant behavior, and patterns of deception suggest strongly that their claims are false and are, in any case, unsubstantiated.

It's obviously too late to claim those that claim extermination because of uh all those Jews that never came back and were never seen again have the burden of proof. This is an appeal now. Follow me on X would be delightful to continue the discussion and you know your boy Eric here always has an open mind just like Bradley taught him not that fascist sex offender Diddy Rudolf https://x.com/erichunt42069

[Callafangers]

Deniers are too lazy to do what I did with that document. Let alone go further. Because they can't find more transited Jews or they are too lazy? Which one? Inquiring minds want to know.

You're asking for 'transited Jews' no one was looking for, for nearly 50 years, in places they likely wouldn't have survived in to begin with; all behind an 'Iron Curtain', and in addition to the fact of narratives of this kind clearly being falsified to suggest 'extermination' (hence myriad false atrocity stories).

Your assumption that there must be 'transited Jews' found and identified as such is invalid. The burden of proof is upon exterminationists to prove extermination; but problems with their crime scene, murder weapon, claimant behavior, and patterns of deception suggest strongly that their claims are false and are, in any case, unsubstantiated.

It's obviously too late to claim those that claim extermination because of uh all those Jews that never came back and were never seen again have the burden of proof. This is an appeal now. Follow me on X would be delightful to continue the discussion and you know your boy Eric here always has an open mind just like Bradley taught him not that fascist sex offender Diddy Rudolf https://x.com/erichunt42069

Eric, to be frank, it's clear you're on so many meds (or whatever) that you can't even seem to focus on a relevant point, avoid pointless aggression, etc. Your past work has been mature, focused, etc., and you lately seem instead like you're on a paranoid rampage. It's hardly worth engaging with and your hostility toward Germar and the claims you keep reciting about him (that he's a "sex offender" for changing his shorts post-workout at 4am, when nobody was around except a cop with an obvious "axe to grind") highlights some of the problems with your position (and presumably your shift away from revisionism), driven by personal motives/grudges/etc. I wish the best of luck to you and anyone who wants to debate with you in this state but I just cannot fathom it being productive in any way.

It's not clear what exactly you're saying regarding Jews and burden of proof above but, yes, when you claim Jews were murdered, you have the burden of proof. When you claim Sally, Elmer, Sara, Bobby, Judd, or Tony are murdered, you have the burden of proof. That's how this works. Nobody needs to show you where they went. Only for the 'Holocaust' (and for other events now being treated with the same modified-historiographical approach) do we see this exception being made.

[Nessie]

That fits with the corroborated testimony of people being told they were going for a shower, when the showers were in fact gas chambers. Descriptions of gas chambers made to look like showers are corroborated by finding remains of tiles matching witness descriptions.

It does not.

It does. When witnesses describe gas chambers being made to look like showers and there is an inventory including shower fittings at a Krema and tiles are found matching witness descriptions for the gas chambers at TII, that is evidence from independent sources which corroborate.

Being resettled in Ukraine, among other places, is the documented German policy on the Jews during the war. The fact eye-witnesses are corroborating the Germans to have explained this fact to the resettled Jews is demonstrative of this policy, not of a different policy for which there is no evidence.

There are no documents or witnesses recording resettlement of Jews from Nazi occupied Europe in Ukraine in 1943 to 1944. You cannot name the department responsible for a resettlement programme, or any Nazi staff working on that programme.

I like the way you say "demonstrated" rather than evidenced

"demonstrate: to make evident or establish by arguments or reasoning; prove.

Synonyms: corroborate, verify, confirm, show."

You do not use the word evidence, because you have none.