Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[Nessie]

What corroborated the witnesses' claims? If I say you're a thief, I'd have to prove the materiality of the theft under threat of slander or defamation. What did the Jewish witnesses offer? Videos, high-quality photos, audio recordings of the perpetrators on site? No, they said a bunch of disconnected and contradictory things. They didn't have a body counter being cremated; it's all exaggerated anecdotes that you, being Jewish, accept because they favor your identity.

In fact, I'm inclined to never discuss this topic with Jews again for obvious reasons. Psychologically, they tend to see any argument or evidence to the contrary as fitting into the cultural narrative, just as they firmly maintain that the Torah was written by the fingers of God.

The Sonderkommandos did not contradict the Nazis. Everyone who worked at the camp variously described mass arrivals, people being told to strip and all their property stolen from them, gassings, mass graves and exhumations for cremations. No one described a process that was different from that. The archaeology corroborates the claims about mass graves and cremations.

You are just denying evidence, because you do not want to accept TII was a death camp.

[TlsMS93]

And since when am I obliged to accept anything?

If the narrative was already well constructed in the following years, the greatest chance is that whoever testifies already knows what to say to their captors, just as the memories of the Topf and Sons engineers improved over time during Soviet interrogations.

[Nessie]

And since when am I obliged to accept anything?

If I hand wave away all the evidence that the British bombed Dresden in 1945, does that mean therefore the British did not bomb Dresden in 1945? The answer is clearly, no. But you think if you hand wave away all the evidence for the Holocaust, such as the archaeological, and other evidence of mass graves and buried cremated remains at TII, that therefore means there was no Holocaust and TII is not a mass burial site for hundreds of thousands of people.

If the narrative was already well constructed in the following years, the greatest chance is that whoever testifies already knows what to say to their captors, just as the memories of the Topf and Sons engineers improved over time during Soviet interrogations.

Where is your evidence that their memories improved over time? They gave statements to the Americans, which have never been published, to my knowledge, and then they were arrested again by the Soviets. Their statements to the Soviets have been published. Are you imagining that they gave repeated statements to the Soviets? Even if they were re-interviewed, that is quote normal in a criminal investigation, to clarify and ask more questions.

Stop making things up. All you are doing is fooling yourself.

[Tyger]

I have, to my best recollection, never read an explanation of how the Germans dug the large pits with their excavator; how was the spoil removed; and from where did the earth to refill the excavated pits come from? It does seem to raise a lot of practical/operational problems that seem to have been glossed over.

[Nazgul]

there was no Holocaust and TII is not a mass burial site for hundreds of thousands of people.

Thank you for finally speaking some reality.

[Nessie]

I have, to my best recollection, never read an explanation of how the Germans dug the large pits with their excavator; how was the spoil removed; and from where did the earth to refill the excavated pits come from? It does seem to raise a lot of practical/operational problems that seem to have been glossed over.

To the best of my knowledge, there are Polish rail workers who passed the camp and could see some of what was happening inside, who saw excavators were digging there as the camp was being constructed. No Nazi spoke about the digging of the graves. The Jewish witnesses either arrived after the graves had been dug, were only there for a short period of time, or they just speak about the use of excavators to exhume corpses.

None of those witnesses speak to details such as how was the spoil removed, or where earth came from to refill graves. The Kurt Franz photos of the camp, include excavators and large mounds of earth, from when the camp was being demolished.

https://collections.yadvashem.org/en/photos/44041