Is the current Middle East conflict helping to spread revisionism?

[House of Cards]

Hi there. Long time reader, first time poster. Current world events are showing how central the shoah myth is to the existence of Israel, and by extention the justification of Israel's many military engagements, and further still the justification of Western nation's military and financial aid. Since Israel is alienating so many people, this seems a golden opportunity to chip away at that myth.

That brings me to this Scott Ritter interview that I wanted to share. For those unfamiliar, he is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer, and former UN weapons inspector. As a Marine Corps intelligence officer he used to work alongside Israel, but these days he is a vocal opponent to their regime.

This interview (see below) piqued my interest because Scott went as far as to accuse the Zionist Jewish community of exaggerating the Holocaust, he uses the phrase "Holocaust industry" and even calls out Elie Wiesel's book 'Night', stating: "turns out almost the entire book's a lie!"

"You cannot justify the continued existence of Israel based upon allegations of genocide dating back to the second world war. True or not. Let's assume everything they say is true, and we know it's not."

Bread and butter stuff for all of us here, but I seldom hear these things talked about outside of certain circles.

Relevant section starts at around 28:25



That particular video has over 200,000 views and counting.

I'm not a huge fan of Ritter; I think he exaggerates often. I don't listen to his every word, so I'm not aware of whether he has ever ventured this close to revisionism before, or if this is new territory for him. Either way, it struck me as promising to see this stuff talked about outside of the more obscure and isolated communities, such as this one. That said, I'm very glad to see this place back up and running after considerable down time.

I wondered if anyone is able to share any other examples of Revisionism breaking out of the underground over the past 12 months? I for one am eager to see the tides turning.

[Archie]

Good find. And welcome to the forum.

Sounds like he's read Norman Finkelstein. Finkelstein of course coined the term "Holocaust Industry." And in the same book he criticizes Elie Wiesel and some of the other bogus memoirists. But Ritter goes a bit further than Finkelstein since he also suggests the story is somewhat exaggerated. That's definitely crossing a line.

"allegations"
"True or not"
and especially "And we know it's not"

Right now Israel is certainly taking much more heat than usual from the left and the right. In the US, both parties are still bought and paid for, but if the political cost becomes high enough that might very well start changing. In the past, taking Zionist money to acquiesce on Middle East policies that most people didn't care about was an easy choice. But if people start to care and being associated with Israel begins to cost these people, then they might start looking elsewhere for donations.

We spend a lot of time on quite detailed research and arguments and I do think there is value in this. But realistically whether the Holocaust sinks or swims will probably depend more on political factors. In particular, whether Jews will maintain enough power to force people to keep believing. Arthur Butz in his 1982 IHR Conference talk predicted "the Holocaust legend will be overthrown in a period of political development highly unfavorable to Zionism." Notably, when he said that Israel's image was plummeting following their invasion of Lebanon. Butz would later say (around the year 2000) that he no longer felt that the collapse of the Holocaust was inevitable and felt the hoax could persist indefinitely. Sadly, I think that is right. But if there is a shift, I think it might happen more suddenly than people expect.

[Archie]

I posted a clip to X. One thing I noticed when I rewatched it is right after he says "True or not" he seems to give a knowing chuckle.

[Archie]

I guess we can add here other "mainstream" people who have made public statements skeptical of the Holocaust.

Dan Bilzerian on Piers Morgan

[TlsMS93]

I guess we can add here other "mainstream" people who have made public statements skeptical of the Holocaust.

Dan Bilzerian on Piers Morgan

The comments on X are funny about what happened to the bodies and still accuse us of not having a single line of reasoning about what happened. Is this the best that 70 years of mass indoctrination can do?

[borjastick]

What I can guarantee you is that after the genocide of Palestinians is done and probably leading to the annexation of the Gaza strip by 'Settlers' the zionist holocaust make believers will be screaming and shouting about increased anti-semitism around the world. Yet they will claim it is unjustified and unfair and without any basis and wrong. What they will never do is understand that their actions are the direct reason people, many people, dislike or hate jews.

As the saying goes 'jews always tell you what happened to them, but never why'.

[TlsMS93]

What I can guarantee you is that after the genocide of Palestinians is done and probably leading to the annexation of the Gaza strip by 'Settlers' the zionist holocaust make believers will be screaming and shouting about increased anti-semitism around the world. Yet they will claim it is unjustified and unfair and without any basis and wrong. What they will never do is understand that their actions are the direct reason people, many people, dislike or hate jews.

As the saying goes 'jews always tell you what happened to them, but never why'.

This has been planned for a long time, but they had to speed up to create their new Silk Road, which will bring peace with the rest of the Arabs, everyone there will win. But to achieve this they need to occupy the rest of the territory and put an end to this issue once and for all. On the other side, Eurasia is trying the same thing, a version of their Silk Road, the first one to get there dominates.

In fact, Israeli intelligence has prepared a kind of Generalplan Ost for the Palestinians to establish themselves in Sinai, especially because there are natural gas reserves on the coast.