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Otto Moll 'Crematorium Chief' and holocaust doubter

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From the JTA-
Mall, condemned for the murder of one Jewish boy, is now awaiting death in the Landsberg fortress in the American zone. As an S.S. leader, Moll was in charge of the crematoriums at the Birkenau and Oswiecim death camps. Major Draper asked the American commandant at Landsberg to permit him to interrogate Moll before he dies. “The world should know the extent of this man’s fantastic crimes,” Major Draper said.
https://www.jta.org/archive/war-crimes- ... in-history

There's a problem though...the guy didn't know anything about the crematoria...
Otto Moll (4 March 1915 – 28 May 1946), SS Hauptscharführer at the war’s end, was employed as a gardener at the Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp until May 1941. Then he was transferred to Auschwitz, where he served in the same role. According to his own statement during post-war interrogations, he was deployed to excavate mass graves at Auschwitz in 1942. After that, he was transferred to the Monowitz Camp in late 1942, where he remained until early 1944. He was then transferred to the Gleiwitz Subcamp, were he remained until the evacuation in January 1945.
When asked about 'his fantastic crimes;
Before he was executed, U.S. investigators interrogated him several times, probably to get “confessions” with which they could prosecute other former German officials, who were still awaiting their trial. During those interrogations, Moll accepted the claim that he was head of the crematoria during the claimed extermination of the Jews deported from Hungary. However, whenever he was asked for any details about the crematoria and about gassings supposedly taking place in them, he displayed a striking ignorance of the most basic (claimed) features of these facilities, clearly showing that he had never set a foot into these facilities, let alone managed their operations for two months.
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... -otto/693/

I find this odd and interesting. Anybody know where I can find his interrogation protocols and his SS file? I'll poke around.
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he was deployed to excavate mass graves at Auschwitz in 1942.
An odd claim in every respect don't you think given that there were no mass graves at Auschwitz. I have never heard of this fellow and suspect from the sections you post he was fitted up for the role of in-charge of the crematoria to help give credibility to the whole swathe of 'death camp' stories and claims.

If he admitted anything it was after intense and very painful interrogation and torture. Just a thought as clearly there will be no evidence of the details of his interviews by Major Draper etc.
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Typhus victims were buried in '41 and exhumed in '42 because of ground water contamination if memory serves. This was why the Kremas were built, attrition had outrun capacity, so, cremation capacity was increased.
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Moll was tried in the Martin Weiss trial for his activities at Dachau. There is a poor quality scan of a judge's review of that trial here:
https://jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc ... ial/d3.pdf

On pages 77-79 you can read some accusations against Moll and the part of his affidavit where he denied all those accusations. Since only his activities from January 1945 on are described, it is unremarkable reading. On page 127 you can read a summary of additional statements and accusations. All that was written about Auschwitz is here:
The accused, Otto Moll, elected to testify and make the following unsworn statement: He was a 30 year old German. In civilian life he had been a gardener (R 1428). He joined the SS on 30 May 1935 (R 1428, 1432). Moll was at first at Oranienburg and then went to Auschwitz as a gardener where he remained from 1941 until 1945 (R 1433). He never had contact with the prisoners at Auschwitz(R 1433). He came to Kaufering Number 4 on 26 February 1945 (R 1428).
It wasn't until after he was sentenced to death for his activities at Dachau that Moll was interrogated about his activities at Auschwitz. These interrogations appear in HH #35 Commandant of Auschwitz, as they relate to and involve Rudolf Höss. Those interrogations are a more interesting read.

Firstly, Moll confessed that he supervised a cremation crew at the crematoria, but since he knew little and couldn't even get the number of ovens right he was probably fibbing. He dated this to the summer of 1944.

The next day Höss told investigators that indeed he had assigned Moll to the crematoria, first two of them and then all four of them, but before that he assigned him to the farmhouses AKA the bunkers. He dated this to 1941, well before the bunkers began operation according to Holocaust historians.

Moll then denied all of this, demanding to face his accuser, to which the interrogators obliged. It becomes more confusing from there as both individuals alternately agreed with each other, contradicted each other, contradicted their own previous statements, and contradicted other known facts.

It is difficult to fit any one motive to Moll's behavior in these interrogations. One possible interpretation is that Moll, knowing he was due to be executed in the immediate future, was willing to fall on his sword to absolve others of guilt. This may be why he insisted on having Höss present and frequently deferred to whatever Höss said. Literally: "Let my Commandant tell you".

Whatever the case, Moll was very poorly informed about the thing that he was supposed to be "chief" of.
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I'd like to see the rest of the interrogation protocols and his personnel records.

Going over what there is, I can't rule out that he indeed just ran the garden (farm) detail and was hated for it, and thus framed up for something different.

I see some parallels to 'Frankenstein' here. Shooting jews in the back of the head and shoving them into a burning pit etc. Being part of the farm detail that ostensibly put jews to work at manual labor. Accusations of mass murder.

He seemed to be quite unaware of what he was supposed to be confessing to, and thus, couldn't, even had he wanted to.
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Stubble wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2026 12:43 pm Typhus victims were buried in '41 and exhumed in '42 because of ground water contamination if memory serves. This was why the Kremas were built, attrition had outrun capacity, so, cremation capacity was increased.
In fact, Himmler wanted to increase the camp's capacity and therefore created Birkenau to hold up to 200,000 prisoners. Consequently, the camp's bureaucrats estimated the need for more crematoria to handle potential typhus epidemic outbreaks.

But even calculating the average typhus mortality rate in other camps, Birkenau's crematoria would still be insufficient to meet the demand. This proves that the potential demand for cremation of gassed prisoners was beyond imagination, something that doesn't seem typical of a bureaucratic country that uses efficiency even for locating a nail.
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borjastick wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2026 6:17 am
he was deployed to excavate mass graves at Auschwitz in 1942.
An odd claim in every respect don't you think given that there were no mass graves at Auschwitz. I have never heard of this fellow and suspect from the sections you post he was fitted up for the role of in-charge of the crematoria to help give credibility to the whole swathe of 'death camp' stories and claims.

If he admitted anything it was after intense and very painful interrogation and torture. Just a thought as clearly there will be no evidence of the details of his interviews by Major Draper etc.
There were mass graves at Auschwitz, but we know very little about them. Even Mattogno recognizes this. They stem from 1942 during a time when all of the crematoria were out of operation, and the outlines of them are visible in aerial photos. According to Mattogno, some 36,500 corpses of registered detainees would have been cremated in these mass graves during 1942. Bear in mind these are completely unrelated to the imaginary outdoor cremations of the Hungarian Jews, which supposedly happened in 1944. True to form, Holocaust historians have barely broached this subject because it pertains to the real history of Auschwitz. Otto Moll was present when these graves were dug up and cremated and he references this during the Hoess trial.

I can't bother digging up the exact excerpts but he discusses this in various books, among them Open-Air Incinerations (HH#17). Other users may be familiar with these graves and can provide some more information for now.
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Mass graves at auschwitz??? I doubt that very much as just like the location of those dodgy spaghetti corpses being burned when visitors go to Auschwitz there is no reference to either. I think there may have been efforts to bury bodies but they quickly realised this was not possible due to ground water levels and stopped. Numbers would have been very low. I'm not buying much of this Moll geezer's claims at the moment. About as reliable as Madame Nessie when she's at home.
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Stubble wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2026 2:35 pm I'd like to see the rest of the interrogation protocols and his personnel records.

Going over what there is, I can't rule out that he indeed just ran the garden (farm) detail and was hated for it, and thus framed up for something different.
It's an amusing prospect, but probably too good to be true, right?

On finding more records I can't be much help. It's worth adding that when Moll was interrogated on April 15, 1946, the questioner made clear references to his earlier statements from the Dachau trial but not to any other statements of his. Therefore there may not be other statements. Even if there aren't, I would be interested in seeing the parts of these interrogations which Mattogno chose to exclude, especially those that concerned Moll's supposed assignment to Lublin.
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For posterity, here is a collection of decent photos and videos of Otto Moll that I came across. If you do a websearch for photos of Moll, little comes up and most of that is poor quality, so this may be helpful for someone.

Standard SS headshot.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... -moll-.jpg

Men singing at SS retreat. Moll is thought to be the one near the front with a grey fringe on his collar.
https://auschwitz.net/wp-content/upload ... 85777.jpeg

Moll in the Dachau trial dock, front row, fourth from the left.
https://exhibits.stanford.edu/uploads/s ... 219776.jpg

Moll in the Dachau trial dock, bottom left corner. His eyes diverged noticably.
https://collections.ushmm.org/iiif-b/assets/785473

Moll in the Dachau trial dock, with sign marking him as defendant "38" visible.
https://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-cont ... 630524.jpg

Other photos of him in the dock exist, but they're in awful quality and scattered across the web.

In this video, Otto Moll was marched in front of the camera before his hanging. It is my impression that he can be seen turning both eyes, but perhaps not symmetrically. Timestamps 05:30 to 05:55.
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1002396

Lastly I came across this signed affidavit from 1939 in which he seems to confirm his eye injury. Probably: "I lost the sight in my right eye."
https://dirkdeklein.net/wp-content/uplo ... 01/doc.png
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Wetzelrad wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2026 5:58 pm
Stubble wrote: Fri Apr 03, 2026 2:35 pm I'd like to see the rest of the interrogation protocols and his personnel records.

Going over what there is, I can't rule out that he indeed just ran the garden (farm) detail and was hated for it, and thus framed up for something different.
It's an amusing prospect, but probably too good to be true, right?

On finding more records I can't be much help. It's worth adding that when Moll was interrogated on April 15, 1946, the questioner made clear references to his earlier statements from the Dachau trial but not to any other statements of his. Therefore there may not be other statements. Even if there aren't, I would be interested in seeing the parts of these interrogations which Mattogno chose to exclude, especially those that concerned Moll's supposed assignment to Lublin.
I sent a couple of emails to a couple of archives, and I'm looking for his OSS jacket (criminal file compiled by the OSS for almost every member of the SS near as I can tell).

If I get anything, I'm going to link it back.

With the crazy ramblings by various 'sonderkommando' I just can't put it out of my mind that they were attached to the ag detail or similar and had a chip about it, thus choosing to kill 2 birds with one rock. Build up the founding myth, take revenge on the people who forced them to work with their hands like some Goy.

I mean, the echos of Frankenstein at Treblinka II are pretty hard for me to ignore.

I am of the opinion that there are no Homicidal Gassing witnesses because there were no Homicidal Gassings, and, the witness pool came from somewhere.
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Stubble wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2026 5:03 am
Major Draper asked the American commandant at Landsberg to permit him to interrogate Moll before he dies. “The world should know the extent of this man’s fantastic crimes,” Major Draper said.
I should have read this more carefully the first time. The April 15 and 16 interrogations of Moll were conducted by the American Brookheart. The British Draper is supposed to have interrogated him on April 29. Mattogno doesn't reproduce that statement, nor is it easily found online.
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Generally speaking, if a criminal suspect is described by witnesses as having a unique physical feature, and that description is correct, it tends to lend credibility to the criminal accusations. Since Otto Moll did have an eye injury, the descriptions of him having a "glass eye" or being named "Cyclops" could be taken as evidence against him.

With this in mind I am checking witness statements. Here is Shlomo Dragon:
The person in charge of Crematoria III [IV] and IV [V] and Bunker 2 was Oberscharführer Moll. Moll was a man of average height, bursting with health. He parted his blond hair to the side. He had a left eye of glass. He was about thirty-seven years old.

We Wept Without Tears: Testimonies of the Jewish Sonderkommando from Auschwitz (2005) by Gideon Greif, p.160
Contrary to Shlomo's claims, it was Moll's right eye that was injured, and Moll would have been from 26-29 years old at the time he was in Auschwitz. Shlomo's brother Avraham, participating in the same interview, did not correct him. Are we sure they met Moll?

None of the other Sonderkommando quoted in this book mentioned Moll's eye. I am having to search far and wide to find any witnesses who did. Here is Filip Müller in 1979:
Moll was rather short and thick-set. His chubby face was, as is often the case with gingery-blond people, covered with freckles. He wore a glass eye. In the Sonderkommando we used to call him ‘Cyclops’.

Three Years In The Gas Chambers (1979) by Filip Müller, p.125
https://archive.org/details/three-years ... 5/mode/1up
Müller did not say which eye was glass, but at least he said something about it, which makes him superior to other Sonderkommando witnesses in a sense. Müller may be the only witness who ever gave him this nickname of "Cyclops". (I therefore find it strange that Wikipedia's article on Moll calls him by this nickname in the first paragraph.)

Here is another late description:
Although Moll was about forty-five, weighed about 120 kilos, and was of only average height, which was odd for an SS man, he carried himself well. With his broad shoulders and muscular body, he looked youthful. His straight blond hair was cut short. In his chiseled face were set a pair of cold blue eyes. Only one of them was real, for he had lost the other fighting in France. When he spoke, only the live eye shifted. There seemed to be no real feeling in the heart beating beneath his bulging chest. All in all, in his tight uniform and knee-high boots, he looked like a Prussian warrior or the perfect Nazi poster boy.

The Dentist of Auschwitz: A Memoir (1995) by Benjamin Jacobs, p.135
The author Jacobs made the minor mistakes of getting Moll's age and his injury story wrong. Jacobs mentioned Moll's eyes in several other parts of the book but never said which side was which. He described it as a glass eye in one part (p.150). Worth noting that Jacobs described Moll as a much softer figure than he is normally portrayed. He even wrote that Moll rebuked an underling for something done to a Jewish prisoner (p.157).

Finally, Moll's glass eye is mentioned in this Spiegel article in relation to an interview of an Auschwitz survivor named Esther Bejarano, however, it's not a direct quote. Since this detail doesn't appear in Bejarano's other interviews and appearances, that I can find, I assume it was Spiegel's own editorial addition.

In conclusion: Out of all the witnesses who claimed to know Moll during the war, I can find only four who mentioned his glass eye. Of the four, two claimed his injury was on the wrong side, and the other two did not say which side. Considering the large number of witnesses who had stories about Moll, this is a pretty surprising absence of correct information. People who actually knew Moll ought to have known he had a glass eye on his right side.

Alternately possible is that Moll did not have a glass eye but merely a sightless eye. From the photos and videos above, this seems possible. In that case the absence of remarks about it would be less surprising, but it would also mean the four witnesses lied about it and the historians bought their claims.
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Wetzelrad,

You are relentless Sir, thank you!

This sinks my idea that these Sonderkommandos worked with him in the ag detail.

I couldn't find the Draper minutes anywhere. They may be in the archives at Kew in the UK. I also still haven't turned up his OSS jacket.

At this point I'm wondering what allied records there are from his intake at Dachau and if they inventoried a prosthetic eye or issued him an eye patch or cleaning supplies for a prosthetic. I'll dig in to that later.

He may have had muscle damage and a damaged cornea from glass when he was in the car wreck. Ive seen descriptions that just say 'sightless'. If it is a prosthetic it is very good, but, they were.
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Stubble wrote: Thu Apr 02, 2026 5:03 am I find this odd and interesting. Anybody know where I can find his interrogation protocols and his SS file? I'll poke around.
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