Suggestion for a new holocaust section

[Keen]

Cross examination is the greatest legal engine ever invented for the discovery of truth.

There are currently 3 subsections in the Holocaust section of this website:

Holocaust Research & Discussion, Holocaust Debate and Revisionist Wiki.

I suggest an additional subsection where there isn't debate, but cross examination, where posters must use their real names and no dodging of relevent questions is allowed. You do not debate, you do not ask questions, you do not dodge - you defend your statement of fact / rebuttable preseumption like a witness in a courtroom. You are accepting a challenge. You are putting yourself on the witness stand and challenging the world to bring it.

Call it: Holocaust Statements of Fact or defend your rebuttable presumptions or something to that effect.

For example, let's say a gal named Roberta Mulencamp joins CODOH, and it is evident she is a real person because she is well known to those here, or she can prove that she is a real person (And must in order to post in this section.) And let's say this Roberta gal makes the following statement of fact:

Caroline Sturdy-Colls has scientifically proven that the remains of no less than 925,000 people currently lie in no less than 15 mass graves within the boundary of Treblinka II.

And then it's on - she defends it. Nothing more, nothing less. Refuse to answer a question and it's over - you lose. (Like here for example: https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=14176#p14176 ) Bitch slap all challengers with irrefutable answers - you win.

No hiding behind aliases. No hit and run bullshit and lies and then open another thread and rinse and repeat. No cowardly running away whenever cornered. And everybody in the thread has to use their real names so they can be held accountable. Likewise, let's say that over in the holohoax "debate" section there's a low IQ troll named Messy, a pathological liar who repeatedly makes false claims and then lies some more to cover up her old lies and cravenly dodges with impunity and runs away whenever cornered as a matter of course. This POS can be challenged to post in the cross examination section, where any true statement of fact can be defended, and their failure to do so is ipso facto proof that their unsubstantiated allegation cannot be defended.

Another example. Let's say there's a guy named Craig Curtis who makes a claim that

Not one of the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II alleged by a so-called "eyewitness" has ever been proven to exist.

in this cross examination section. The fact that no one single holohoaxer could ever disprove such a rock solid rebuttable presumption / statement of fact would also be ipso facto proof that it is true. And those posting under aliases who are challenged to post their unsubstantiated allegations as a statement of fact / rebuttable presumption in this section using their real names and refuse to do so is also ipso facto proof that they are lying cowards.

What this secton would do is take the so-called "debate" to another level - the level of cross examination in a courtroom.

I say it's worth a try.

I'm trying it out here:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18507#p18507

[HansHill]

Terrible idea.

Firstly i suggest the mod team locks down and removes with expediency, any attempts, suggestions, prompts or otherwise, to dox regular posters here.

Secondly, I mostly see Holocaust activists engaging in bad faith, very rarely revisionists. Therefore, incentivizing revisionists to dox themselves in hopes of chasing and pinning down these activists is absurd.

Thirdly, It also unnecessarily calls into question the merits of the debate board, which for the revisionists, actually works quite well, and has roundly been disastrous for the activists. This gives a losing activist recourse to say "take it to the dox board" to resolve and of course, the revisionist will decline.

In my opinion, a much better suggestion which i proposed before here:

viewtopic.php?t=506

Was to move the debate section to a less prestigious real estate section of the site, as it often gets muddled and goes around in circles (likely by the designs and machinations of the activists).

[Eye of Zyclone]

Not a good idea for those who live in countries where Holocaust revisionism is a penal offense, nor for those who live in countries where Holocaust revisionism is "only" a social suicide by the way.

Moreover, how could you tell that someone's asserted name is indeed his/her real name anyway?

[Archie]

Obviously, we will not be adopting Keen's proposal. Although by some coincidence I just added a subforum just for posters like him.

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In my opinion, a much better suggestion which i proposed before here:

viewtopic.php?t=506

Was to move the debate section to a less prestigious real estate section of the site, as it often gets muddled and goes around in circles (likely by the designs and machinations of the activists).

We could hide the debate board somewhere, but it's also by far our busiest forum. It's 77% of the post volume. And while a lot of it is noise, there is some good stuff in there as well, and it's highly relevant to our main topic.

Rather than hide it, I would like to clean it up a bit. For a while, we had CJ, Nessie, and Keen all posting there, and that was just too much. CJ was banned of course. Banning is one tool, although we really try to avoid having to take things that far if possible. We have a few other tools like locking threads or moving posts to the junk folder, but these require active management. A few days ago I added a Quarantine subforum to the Debate board. This will be a new tool that I hope will clean things up a bit. I will explain more about it when I get the permissions set up.

[Keen]

Firstly i suggest the mod team locks down and removes with expediency, any attempts, suggestions, prompts or otherwise, to dox regular posters here.

Secondly, I mostly see Holocaust activists engaging in bad faith, very rarely revisionists. Therefore, incentivizing revisionists to dox themselves in hopes of chasing and pinning down these activists is absurd.

Thirdly, It also unnecessarily calls into question the merits of the debate board, which for the revisionists, actually works quite well, and has roundly been disastrous for the activists. This gives a losing activist recourse to say "take it to the dox board" to resolve and of course, the revisionist will decline.

Are you serious? Really? Confusing a voluntary exchange between known individuals voluntarily using their own names with doxing? Is Mr. Gerdes being doxed when he does this: http://thisisaboutscience.com/ ?

And you are compeletly leaving out the other part of the suggestion, and that is the encouragement of developing irrefutable statements of fact about the holohoax that can stand up in court, and voluntarily putting ones refuttable presumptions out there and challenging the world to find so much as the tiniest crack in the statement of fact. It's a testing ground, and nobody is forced to participate in the thread. Only those willing to use their own names can participate.

The palpable fear that you show for implementing my idea reveals you and your ilk's lack of confidence in your ability to state and defend rebuttable presumptions. You shouldn't let that fear intefear with those who aren't afraid of accepting the challenge.

[Keen]

Not a good idea for those who live in countries where Holocaust revisionism is a penal offense, nor for those who live in countries where Holocaust revisionism is "only" a social suicide by the way.

Moreover, how could you tell that someone's asserted name is indeed his/her real name anyway?

Do you not know what the word voluntary means? Nobody would be forced to use their own names on the forum. Only those who voluntarily use their own names in one specific section of the forum. The lies, distortions, dodging and distruptions made by the holohoaxers hiding behind aliasses. would be reduced dramatically in such a section.

Maybe the section could be called: For those with balls only.

[Keen]

We could hide the debate board somewhere... rather than hide it...

What on earth are you talking about? I'm talking about adding a subforum, not the elimination of anything.

The issue is to provide a subforum for those willing to challenge and be challenged by people with the courage, integrity and character to use their real names, but are unwilling to spend the time and make the effort "debating" lying and dodging cowards who are hiding behind aliases. The point is to put an end to the lies and dodging of trolls like Nessie, bombsaway, confused jew and the like.

Of course, even if the cowardly HC cult could somehow find the courage and integrity to use their real names, they would still lie and dodge, because that is all they can do to maintain the delusion, but it will at least discourage some of the more blatant examples that we so often see out of them.

[Keen]

Not a good idea for those who live in countries where Holocaust revisionism is "only" a social suicide by the way.

That is exacly what a thread like the one I'm proposing is designed to eliminate. And if a person who lives in a country that has freedom of speech isn't willing to sacrafice in order to maintain their free speech rights, then they don't care much about their freedom of speech rights. Anyone who lives in a country where they could end up in jail OBVIOUSLY wouldn't / couldn't use the suggested subforum. But the subforum would still benifit them because it's designed to develop irrefutable statements of fact that can stand up in court. (And I'm well aware of the fact than even irrefutable statememts of fact can lead to prison in some countries.)

The idea behind the subforum is to develop statements of fact that hold up in court and DO NOT lead to social suicide, and develop them in a subforum that is not maliciously derailed by the HC faggots hiding behind aliasses. Take this rebuttable presumption / statement of fact for example:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 91 graves / cremation pits in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these four sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Anyone who has even half a brain and even one nut could make that statement in any social situation and, if they're knowledgible about the issue, destroy anyone who wanted to say otherwise. And the person who wrote that has put his money where his mouth is and not only using his real name, but offering thousands of dollars to anyone who can prove it wrong.

The biggest problem with "revisionists" is that most of them are afraid to stand up and fight - even in the U.S. It is the U.S. "revisionists" who really need to grow a pair and use our freedom of speech rights to fight for those in the world who don't have that freedom. And shame on you fucking cowards who try to discourage those of us who are trying to do so. The subforum I propose is not intended for those who are afraid to defend their statements of fact.

[HansHill]

where posters must use their real names

Confusing a voluntary exchange between known individuals voluntarily

must

voluntary

Lol.

[Keen]

where posters must use their real names

Confusing a voluntary exchange between known individuals voluntarily

must

voluntary

Lol.

They would voluntarily accept the stipulaton that in order to participate in the subforum (and the subforum only), they must use their real name.

[Wahrheitssucher]

We could hide the debate board somewhere... rather than hide it...

What on earth are you talking about? I'm talking about adding a subforum, not the elimination of anything.

The issue is to provide a subforum for those willing to challenge and be challenged
by people with the courage, integrity and character to use their real names,
but are unwilling to spend the [waste their] time [in] making the effort "debating" lying and dodging cowards who are hiding behind aliases.

The point is to put an end to the lies and dodging of trolls like Nessie, bombsaway, confused jew and the like.

Good idea!

Of course, even if the cowardly HC cult could somehow find the courage and integrity to use their real names, they would still lie and dodge, because that is all they can do to maintain the delusion, but it will at least discourage some of the more blatant examples that we so often see out of them.

[HansHill]

Why doesn't Nick Gerdes start a super serious facts and logic thread for himself and Dr Terry to spit facts and logic under their legal names?

I don't think you need Archie to set up an entire sub forum for it?

[Keen]

Why doesn't Nick Gerdes start a super serious facts and logic thread for himself and Dr Terry to spit facts and logic under their legal names?

"spit facts and logic" is your interpretation of a suggestion to encourage the developemnt of statements of fact / rebuttable presumptions that can stand up in court? And be made and challenged in a way that encourages accountability and discourages malicious disruption by the use of real names?

It's obvious that you don't have the cahoonas to particpate in such an endevor, but why try to discourage those who do?

[HansHill]

cahoonas

Cute.

why

Because its a very common, defensive, dishonest, and downright scummy reflex response during online debates, where one party is losing face, only to proclaim "why don't you post this under your real name if you're so sure about it?". Like some sort of scummy "i win button". You see it on Twitter all the time, after ragdolling some conservative over WW2 or gas chambers.

What matters is the argument being made.

Besides, while I don't particularly care either way, I will guess that you are Mr Gerdes. As a "named" debater, I don't see how much (if any) extra gravitas or credentialism that has gained you over say, Archie, Callafangers, Stubble, Wetzelrad, or the myriad other anonymous posters here who seem much more skilled in a debate, while remaining anonymous.

(No offense).

[Wahrheitssucher]

where posters must use their real names

Confusing a voluntary exchange between known individuals voluntarily

must

voluntary

Lol.

I’m surprised that even you and Archie could not understand the suggestion being made by Keen.
• Voluntarily = participants choose whether they want to accept a challenge to participate in the new, additional forum arena or not.
• Must = must use their real names and provide some sort of proof of identity IF they choose to accept the forums debate conditions.

There are a few people here on both sides of the debate who already are posting and debating either: a.) using their real names or: b.) who haven’t attempted to conceal their real identities.

So it is a good suggestion. It would certainly raise the standard of debate from the interminable avoidance and deceit of the anonymous, true-believer trolls.

Why any holyH true-believer who is discussing in good faith even needs to be anonymous beats me. That alone does rather prove they are NOT arguing in good faith.