The Obvious Ignorance and Mistakes of Some So-Called Holocaust Revisionists

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The Obvious Ignorance and Mistakes of Some So-Called Holocaust Revisionists

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This thread should be for pointing out the obvious ignorance and mistakes of some so-called Holocaust revisionists. These mistakes are counterproductive for the Holocaust revisionist cause. We can learn not to make these same mistakes.

I made this post about Fred Leuchter some time ago (Leuchter thinks that the mainstream narrative claims that "six million were gassed"): Fred Leuchter's Ignorance of the Mainstream Narrative: viewtopic.php?t=216

Here is another one, this time by Richard Williamson:
"How on earth in a couple of years do you cremate six million corpses? It is not possible with the number of gas ovens that they had at the most in Auschwitz or anywhere."


The mainstream narrative does not claim that six million were gassed, nor that they were all cremated. And there were no "gas ovens".

Also this X-account "Uncommon Sense" has many other counterproductive and bad takes relating to Holocaust revisionism and he really seems to share the ignorance. The Holocaust revisionists have in reality so much better takes to offer.
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It is an issue.

I don't mind that laymen have a false understanding to begin with. In my experience the public schooling system made no effort to inform me of what the orthodoxy claims. It impressed upon me only that there were camps, gas, cremation, and 6 million. (In fact I think if you investigate school textbooks from the last few decades you will find that they are written to give exactly this impression and in some cases they get basic facts wrong. But this is a matter for another thread.)

I also don't mind that laymen look at the numbers, do napkin math, and ask questions publically.

It becomes an issue only when it's a public figure who continues to make reckless statements after they should have familiarized themselves with what they're arguing against, or when as in this case old statements keep being reposted. Melissa Peinovich has been trying for years to correct these people with her website. Here are some recent articles from her:

Concerning Red Cross ITS documents and the Auschwitz chimney.
https://www.holocaust.claims/general/ra ... -part-one/

Concerning the edited Buchenwald bunk photo.
https://www.holocaust.claims/general/ra ... -part-two/

Concerning wooden doors and the Cookie Monster meme AKA Holocaust math.
https://www.holocaust.claims/general/ra ... art-three/

This seems like an important task but so far mostly done in vain. My own efforts have convinced only one big X account to acknowledge and remove a bad meme. Typically what makes these memes go viral is the bombastic claims they make, and so posters are incentivized not to correct. There is no corrective system in place. X's Community Notes system is supposed to serve that purpose, but no one trusts it since the writers are always politically motivated and often incorrect themselves.

So the best way to fix this problem may be to produce more material that is correct. Gradually replace the bad stuff with good stuff.
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"How on earth in a couple of years do you cremate six million corpses? It is not possible with the number of gas ovens that they had at the most in Auschwitz or anywhere."
This is not that egregious, imo. The general point here is valid, it's just a little garbled. It's similar to the "six million gassed" thing. Not technically the orthodox position but it fits the common understanding. When an anti-revisionist jumps in and says "bbbbbbut well actually it was only around 3 million gassed, the others died of shootings and other causes," I think those sorts of corrections usually fall flat.

Some worse ones (imo) are when there's some document that's being totally misused. I feel like unless people are willing to do the work, it's best to avoid getting into primary sources as these are quite easy to misunderstand and misinterpret.
viewtopic.php?t=207
viewtopic.php?t=204

I don't know if I see a good way to police this sort of thing. I think that our focus should simply be on producing and packaging all the best material and arguments. Maybe eventually this will trickle down to the casuals.
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Rule number one in advertising is GET NOTICED!

Williamson did and brought some attention to the paucity of the extermination argument and for me that was good enough. He may not have fully understood the claims but then again neither does Nessie given some of the nonsense he spouts.
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Frau Ursula Haverbeck - The Greatest Problem Of Our Time:
https://altcensored.com/watch?v=lpCih7dmlRI

Ursula Haverbeck asks this question at the beginning of this video:
"Wo hat die Ermordung von 6 Millionen oder auch nur Millionen Juden durch Vergasung stattgefunden?" - "Where did the murder of 6 million, or even just millions, of Jews by gassing take place?"

At the end of this video there is also a sound bite from Richard Williamson:
"I believe that the historical evidence, historical evidence is strongly, is hugely against six million Jews having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers as a deliberate policy of Adolf Hitler."

All it really takes is to have heard the story of the Einsatzgruppen to avoid making this mistake. Nothing more.

We should at least know what we're up against. That should be the starting point, but for many so-called revisionists, it isn't. Even Fred Leuchter believes it's claimed that "six million were gassed". Spreading such grossly inaccurate views will not help increase the number of people with critical thinking skills in the revisionist movement.
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Every Revisionist is a believer first. I can't imagine there are many people who are born Revisionists. It's therefore a failure on the part of Orthodoxy that these people will walk around their entire adult lives not knowing what it is they supposedly believe.

Should a person who doesn't believe the exact right thing in the first place, then come to disbelieve it, that cannot necessarily be the fault of Revisionists. Revisionists simply need to ensure our information is in order, which we do.

I remember a quote from Mike "Enoch" Peinovich that every Holocaust debate consists of the denier teaching the believer what they are supposed to believe first.
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From 4th grade on, when I was first exposed to pornogaphic atrocity propaganda, I was told 6,000,000 jews were killed by the nazis in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms and that pictures from Nordhausen, Bergen Belsen and Dachau were proof...

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Yesterday I was looking an Uncommon Sense posting about the chimney at Main Camp GC building. The thread must be a mile long. then others in the thread get to talking about that dumb wooden door with glass pane. It seemed to me that people on both sides of the argument are talking out their behind.
Get this... Nessie replied to this chimney thread and I agreed with him (or her?)

I have found that when you even try to convince the ones that believe it is Holobunga, they get pissed when you present more convincing arguments.
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Fred Ziffel wrote: Sat Aug 23, 2025 1:11 am then others in the thread get to talking about that dumb wooden door with glass pane. It seemed to me that people on both sides of the argument are talking out their behind.
Get this... Nessie replied to this chimney thread and I agreed with him (or her?)
Yes, Nessie has liked my posts for the same reason, to his credit.

One mistake that might be worth adding to this topic is the excessive reliance on General Patton. WWII revisionists treat him like a hero because he is misquoted as having said, "We defeated the wrong enemy." In reality he said some similar things but not exactly that, so it regularly gets fact checked. I also just don't find him to be a brilliant individual, intellectually or morally. His acceptance of the atrocity propaganda was ridiculous, even describing Ohrdruf as a "murder camp". If revisionists keep invoking Patton, their talking points will be countered eventually.

Another mistake is the reliance on David Cole. A whole book could be written of all the reasons why, but I will give just two. One, invoking him is totally unnecessary to make any argument. Two, he has become intensely vitriolic toward revisionism, often going out of his way to respond with insults to every usage of his work. This has now progressed to him writing a second book against revisionists. Better to stick with Zundel.
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Revision wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:58 pm Here is another one, this time by Richard Williamson:

The mainstream narrative does not claim that six million were gassed, nor that they were all cremated. And there were no "gas ovens".
These are all good points and I agree with you.
But we should also never confine our criticisms to what the current mainstream narrative is, we should maintain a focus on exposing the shifting storyline.

It could be effective to refer to six million having been cremated with the response if challenged being that 4-5 million were cremated at Auschwitz and 2 million at Majdanek alone, in addition to millions at other camps like Treblinka. Sobibor, Betzec, Dachau, Buchenwald etc etc.
Leave it to other side to navigate their way out it.
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Just in from a site called Quora.
this is one of those who think they are correct because this is how they felt emotionally when they visited the camp
Just incredible!! See attached

Context is I was questioning doing a gas'n burn at Crem 2 and 3 on two levels in large numbers and got his response
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Quora is Hasbara Central, flooded with one ridiculous holocaust scary tale after another, every 3rd or 4th post.
The enormous volume of views is depressing.
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Fred Ziffel wrote: Sat Aug 23, 2025 9:49 am Just in from a site called Quora.
this is one of those who think they are correct because this is how they felt emotionally when they visited the camp
Just incredible!! See attached

Context is I was questioning doing a gas'n burn at Crem 2 and 3 on two levels in large numbers and got his response
Wow, thanks for sharing Fred.

I wouldn't categorize a person like this as thinking or acting rationally. In fact the opposite, he is quite literally approaching the holocaust with a religious zeal. I know this would be far beneath you personally Fred, but hypothetically were an army of groypers to metaphorically (and peacefully) dogpile him with wooden door memes, and 6 million cookies, and other such low information memes, I see no harm no foul. This person has put himself beyond any sort of rational discourse, and holocaust propaganda is a culture war first and foremost.
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