Auschwitz Scrolls

[ConfusedJew]

You guys have been saying that there is no physical evidence of the gas chambers so I wanted to look into this specific question. I mentioned the Auschwitz Scrolls in the prior thread and I wanted to do a deep dive on this issue. How do you say there was no direct evidence when this is a huge and compelling piece of direct evidence?

The Auschwitz Scrolls are a series of nine handwritten accounts secretly composed by Jewish prisoners who were part of the Sonderkommando at Auschwitz-Birkenau during the Holocaust. These men were forced to operate the gas chambers and crematoria, placing them in direct contact with the industrial machinery of mass murder. Despite the extreme risk, some of them documented their experiences on scraps of paper, describing the extermination process in painful, often poetic detail. They buried these writings near the crematoria in jars, cans, or other containers, hoping someone would one day find them and learn the truth of what happened.

The first scrolls were discovered shortly after the camp’s liberation in 1945 by Soviet and Polish investigators near the ruins of Crematoria II and III. More were found in 1946–47, and fragments continued to surface in later decades during archaeological work. Written primarily in Yiddish and Hebrew, the scrolls were often damaged by fire, water, or the passage of time, but many remain legible. They have attributed several to known authors, including Zalman Gradowski, Leib Langfus, and Chaim Herman, who were all killed before the war’s end.

These writings are uniquely significant because they offer contemporaneous, firsthand accounts from within the heart of the Nazi extermination system. As some of the only surviving testimonies from the Sonderkommando, they provide unmatched insight into the mechanics and human cost of genocide.

The scrolls were buried during the war and were written by authors were not writing for attention or survival as the authors expected to die. They hoped the truth would be discovered later. That contemporaneity makes them especially reliable: there was no incentive to lie, and no chance for postwar embellishment.

The Auschwitz Scrolls provide independent corroboration of the existence and use of gas chambers through their internal details which match other forms of evidence that were discovered or verified separately, often without knowledge of the scrolls at the time.

The scrolls match exactly with Nazi architectural plans and construction documents, seized by the Allies after the war. The scrolls mention features like the “undressing rooms,” “elevators for corpse transport,” and the number and layout of furnaces—corroborated by blueprints found in Berlin and Auschwitz archives.

The Sonderkommando scrolls were written before the Nazi confessions (ie Rudolf Hoss) and match these descriptions in key logistical and procedural details. That agreement is a strong form of corroboration. Notably Rudolf Höss did not know about the Auschwitz Scrolls during his time at the camp or during his postwar interrogations and trial.

Only a few members of the Sonderkommando survived, but those who did gave detailed testimony that was consistent in great detail with those that were written in the gas chambers. None of those men had access to the scrolls when giving their accounts.

[Callafangers]

Already addressed, on this thread:

The HC Blog 'Auschwitz Index'
https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=147

6. Contemporary Sonderkommando Handwritings

Communist Bias and Editing:
The index includes contemporary Sonderkommando handwritings found in the camps, but their authenticity and context are highly suspect. Many of these handwritings were published and edited by the former director of the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw, who was known for his "communist bias" and for editing historical works without alerting readers to these changes (https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... mando.html). Moreover, the basis for these handwritings being hidden and buried by the Sonderkommando is odd, given that claims of 'gassing' were already widely known through circulating letters and rumors.

From the linked HC Blog:

The Contemporary Sonderkommando Handwritings on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz-Birkenau
The contemporary Sonderkommando handwritings were authored by members of the so called Jewish Sonderkommando engaged in the body removal and disposal at the extermination sites. The manuscripts were written during the operation of Auschwitz concentration camp, buried in the ground near the crematoria and were only to be found after the liberation of the camp between February 1945 and 1980. They are a worthy and unique historical source since they provide impressions of the Jewish prisoners engaged in the mass murder machinery while it was still running or just dismantled. They were not filtered, directed and influenced by external persons (i.e. investigators, interviewers, historians) and post-liberation and post-war knowledge and circumstances. For these reasons, the Sonderkommando handwritings are also extremely powerful evidence on mass extermination in Auschwitz. Here, I present the manuscripts found and published so far with the most relevant quotes with regards to mass extermination.

Details concerning their history from discovery to publication and formal, linguistic, stylistic analysis of the manuscripts can be found in the publications Inmitten des grauenvollen Verbrechens (hereafter Inmitten; english: Amidst a nightmare of crime) by the Auschwitz State Museum and Des Voix Sous La Cendre by the Memorial de la Shoah.

Five of the eight manuscripts were published/edited by Bernard Mark, formerly director of the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw. It turns out that Mark is a controversial figure as editor of historical works. According to Lucy Dawidowicz, "communist bias permeated Mark's own books on resistance in the ghettos of Warsaw and Bialystok...these works brought to light much important documentation from the Institute's archives, but their value was vitiated by the author's political distortion" (Dawidowicz, The Holocaust and the Historians, p. 101).

According to Michel Borwicz, in a 1948 publication of a diary from the Warsaw ghetto Mark did "remove certain sections and edit others, replaced some names with generalities...etc. without even alert the reader that kind of change" (Borwicz, Journaux publiés à titre posthume, in: Revue d'histoire de la Deuxième Guerre mondiale, 1962, 45). Nicholas Chare speculates that Mark "may have disregarded [Sonderkommando Chaim Herman's letter]...because it was written in French and exhibits anxiety about how the actions of the Sonderkommando will be perceived retrospectively. Mark's decision to overlook Herman's account may provide an example of...discriminatory ways in which archival materials were employed to reinforce pre-existing ideals" (Chare, Auschwitz and Afterimages, p. 78).

[ConfusedJew]

It's one thing to be cautious about editorial bias, especially in postwar Eastern Bloc publications, but bias in how something is published doesn’t equal forgery. The Auschwitz Sonderkommando manuscripts were discovered buried near the crematoria starting in 1945, and their authenticity has been confirmed by forensic and historical investigations—not just by Bernard Mark.

While Mark’s editing practices were questionable, modern scholars have revisited the original manuscripts directly. Publications from the Auschwitz Museum and others present these texts transparently, separating original content from later edits.

You are missing the point when you try to disqualify these writings as "odd" due to the world already having knowledge about the gassings. After the event reports are not the same as firsthand, internal testimonies. The Sonderkommando were in a unique position to document the process, and they buried these writings knowing they probably wouldn't survive to tell the story themselves.

Demonstrating that a single author had editorial bias does not even provide evidence for fabrication, especially when other scholars have reported on the same manuscripts without those biases. It's a form of cherry picking which distracts from the bigger picture. I hope you aren't doing that on purpose to troll, but that at least explains why it's a flawed argument.

Most original manuscripts have been preserved in various archives, such as the Auschwitz State Museum and the Medical Military Museum in St. Petersburg. This preservation allows contemporary scholars to study the unaltered documents, providing opportunities for re-evaluation and more accurate interpretations. The fact that Bernard Mark's editorial practices were controversial really doesn't matter.

Can you provide any reason to believe that the manuscripts were not authentic or were fabricated? The CODOH thread that you linked to does not even attempt to provide evidence that the scrolls were forged or planted and it doesn't challenge the archaeological and forensic context of their discovery—i.e., buried in situ near the crematoria during or shortly after the events they describe.

[AreYouSirius]

Can you provide any reason to believe that the manuscripts were not authentic or were fabricated?

You are a very unserious participant in this forum. Reasons are shared in the post immediately above yours and multiple reasons are discussed in the 16 pages of conversation you have chosen to ignore. Use one of those myriad reasons as a jumping off point for discussion.

[ConfusedJew]

Can you provide any reason to believe that the manuscripts were not authentic or were fabricated?

You are a very unserious participant in this forum. Reasons are shared in the post immediately above yours and multiple reasons are discussed in the 16 pages of conversation you have chosen to ignore. Use one of those myriad reasons as a jumping off point for discussion.

Uh no they don't. But also not serious to ask somebody to read through 240 jumbled posts. Your reading comprehension missed the mark.

Neither the post above or the referenced thread provide an argument against the authenticity of the buried Auschwitz manuscripts. Please explain to me how the quoted text makes any argument or claim that the manuscripts themselves were fake. If anything it strengthens the claim that they are authentic.

Your comment shows me that you didn't actually read my response or the original references let alone understand any of them. If you want to me to respond to you again, go back and re-evaluate what you said. Thanks.

6. Contemporary Sonderkommando Handwritings

Communist Bias and Editing:
The index includes contemporary Sonderkommando handwritings found in the camps, but their authenticity and context are highly suspect. Many of these handwritings were published and edited by the former director of the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw, who was known for his "communist bias" and for editing historical works without alerting readers to these changes (https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... mando.html). Moreover, the basis for these handwritings being hidden and buried by the Sonderkommando is odd, given that claims of 'gassing' were already widely known through circulating letters and rumors.

[AreYouSirius]

Can you provide any reason to believe that the manuscripts were not authentic or were fabricated?

You are a very unserious participant in this forum. Reasons are shared in the post immediately above yours and multiple reasons are discussed in the 16 pages of conversation you have chosen to ignore. Use one of those myriad reasons as a jumping off point for discussion.

Uh no they don't. But also not serious to ask somebody to read through 240 jumbled posts. Your reading comprehension missed the mark.

We’re exhausted by your flitty pilpul antics. You’re not engaging seriously, and it’s obvious to everyone here.

Callafangers dropped a link to a recent discussion on this exact topic, and you’ve got nothing to say about it—no questions, no insights, just radio silence. Forum etiquette 101 (be it here, or Reddit, or anywhere else): search for existing threads, read them, and add something worthwhile. Starting a new thread when the convo’s already live screams deflection, not discussion.

Be real—you’re not here to learn or engage, are you?

[Callafangers]

It's one thing to be cautious about editorial bias, especially in postwar Eastern Bloc publications, but bias in how something is published doesn’t equal forgery. The Auschwitz Sonderkommando manuscripts were discovered buried near the crematoria starting in 1945, and their authenticity has been confirmed by forensic and historical investigations—not just by Bernard Mark.

While Mark’s editing practices were questionable, modern scholars have revisited the original manuscripts directly. Publications from the Auschwitz Museum and others present these texts transparently, separating original content from later edits.

You are missing the point when you try to disqualify these writings as "odd" due to the world already having knowledge about the gassings. After the event reports are not the same as firsthand, internal testimonies. The Sonderkommando were in a unique position to document the process, and they buried these writings knowing they probably wouldn't survive to tell the story themselves.

Demonstrating that a single author had editorial bias does not even provide evidence for fabrication, especially when other scholars have reported on the same manuscripts without those biases. It's a form of cherry picking which distracts from the bigger picture. I hope you aren't doing that on purpose to troll, but that at least explains why it's a flawed argument.

Most original manuscripts have been preserved in various archives, such as the Auschwitz State Museum and the Medical Military Museum in St. Petersburg. This preservation allows contemporary scholars to study the unaltered documents, providing opportunities for re-evaluation and more accurate interpretations. The fact that Bernard Mark's editorial practices were controversial really doesn't matter.

Can you provide any reason to believe that the manuscripts were not authentic or were fabricated? The CODOH thread that you linked to does not even attempt to provide evidence that the scrolls were forged or planted and it doesn't challenge the archaeological and forensic context of their discovery—i.e., buried in situ near the crematoria during or shortly after the events they describe.

There is no point debating with you. You do not actually know about or understand the arguments you are providing. This is ChatGPT output, pure and simple. Nothing you have posted has provided any sort of challenge to revisionists here, and more importantly, you're showing a lack of ability to stay on-topic or to keep things relevant, likely because you don't even know what questions are important to the broader debate at-present. This is because, as AreYouSirius points out, you're not a serious participant here. You have not been following along in the broader discussion; you have immediately jumped onto ChatGPT and are only plugging in the arguments you wish to 'debunk', without any effort at a sincere understanding or engagement of any kind.

Someone at your level of [non-]understanding, on either side of the debate, should be showing a degree of humility at this point. Even if you are biased against revisionist views, there are other members here (e.g. bombsaway, SanityCheck), whom you could learn a lot from. Most importantly, you should be studying the threads/discussions which have already taken place here, so that we can avoid redundancy and time-wasters, and keep the conversation productive for everyone involved.

The general point of consensus across members here, on either side, has at least ostensibly been to have the truth be revealed. This requires a sincere effort at expanding and enhancing our global understanding of this topic. This happens when people make a sincere effort to challenge one another, and make reasonable concessions along the way.

This is why you were previously notified, very clearly:

Here is what you DO get by being a member here:

• A chance to 'expose deniers' and defend the 'Holocaust' narrative before the eyes of the world.

Here is what you DO NOT get as a member here:

• The opportunity to monopolize the overall discussion aimed at limiting its productivity.

To be abundantly clear, ConfusedJew, you are on "thin ice" here. You are not going to be able to continue posting AI-output exclusively in your engagement. You have already exposed your own true knowledge and familiarity with this topic, so when you post paragraphs of content that are clearly beyond your understanding and are also missing the "bigger picture" of the broader debate (making it so you cannot meaningfully contribute), it's going to be utterly transparent to everyone here that you're not posting genuine content. And that is not something we are inclined to tolerate much further from you.

I'm going to respond to ChatGPT's arguments defending the scrolls in another reply here, but wanted to first make clear that your shenanigans have now come to an end.

[ConfusedJew]

There is no point debating with you. You do not actually know about or understand the arguments you are providing. This is ChatGPT output, pure and simple. Nothing you have posted has provided any sort of challenge to revisionists here, and more importantly, you're showing a lack of ability to stay on-topic or to keep things relevant, likely because you don't even know what questions are important to the broader debate at-present. This is because, as AreYouSirius points out, you're not a serious participant here. You have not been following along in the broader discussion; you have immediately jumped onto ChatGPT and are only plugging in the arguments you wish to 'debunk', without any effort at a sincere understanding or engagement of any kind.

I completely understand the arguments that I'm making but you honestly don't seem to understand yours so let me break this down for you very simply.

The Auschwitz scrolls were buried in various places by Jews who worked in the gas chambers because they felt that they were not going to survive, which they didn't, and they were discovered over a long period of time. They recounted the details of how the gas chambers worked in great detail in a way that was consistent with the other scrolls, Nazi blueprints, Jewish survivor testimony, and a confession from Rudolf Hoss, the head of Auschwitz. None of the people who gave testimonials were aware of the contents of the scrolls.

You could argue that the manuscripts were planted there, but you didn't. You provided a reference to something that doesn't even weaken the legitimacy of the scrolls. I went through your references and they were very off point. If you understood the arguments yourself, you would be able to explain it in one paragraph rather than copy and pasting something that you are parroting from somebody else.

Can you answer why you believe the manuscripts themselves were fabricated? Not an article about the manuscripts, which don't matter, but the actual manuscripts. People here keep saying that there is no physical evidence but that's clearly not true.

If that is a sincere belief, then where did the manuscripts come from? Why did they have a very consistent message across the different scrolls? Why were they consistent with the Nazi blueprints? Why did Rudolf Hoss provide the same description without even knowing that those scrolls existed but had been long buried? Why did the scrolls match the testimonies of the small number of Jews who worked in the gas chambers?

Please answer those questions if you want a serious debate and we can go from there.

[Callafangers]

It's one thing to be cautious about editorial bias, especially in postwar Eastern Bloc publications, but bias in how something is published doesn’t equal forgery. The Auschwitz Sonderkommando manuscripts were discovered buried near the crematoria starting in 1945, and their authenticity has been confirmed by forensic and historical investigations—not just by Bernard Mark.

Their 'authenticity' remains an issue but let's assume for sake of argument they are real...

Jews interned at Auschwitz recognizing, especially once the war had turned, that atrocity lies are their way to obtain retribution and help establish the intended postwar world order are going to be quite inclined to write messages 'confirming' the alleged atrocities for prosecutors and the like to dig up postwar.

So, in your best case scenario, that these letters are 100% authentic by the hand of Jewish 'Sonderkommando', this is what we are facing.

While Mark’s editing practices were questionable, modern scholars have revisited the original manuscripts directly. Publications from the Auschwitz Museum and others present these texts transparently, separating original content from later edits.

The issue is the chain of custody, with Bernard Mark indisputably representing a serious break of integrity in that chain. Did he remove entire pages of even more ridiculous absurdities? Did he make less conspicuous changes, beyond those easily-identified as changed?

Moreover, Mark was not a random 'nobody' who got his hands on these documents; he's the former Director of the Jewish Historical Institute which has huge implications in itself and should have made international headlines. The majority of these manuscripts were manipulated by him, the extent of which cannot be known with certainty.

Mark is not the only issue. The manuscripts themselves are filled with the usual absurdities and major inconsistencies, etc.

You are missing the point when you try to disqualify these writings as "odd" due to the world already having knowledge about the gassings. After the event reports are not the same as firsthand, internal testimonies. The Sonderkommando were in a unique position to document the process, and they buried these writings knowing they probably wouldn't survive to tell the story themselves.

It seems it is you (ChatGPT) who missed the point -- if the motive for risking one's life to write these stories, what would the purpose of this be if these precise happenings were already widely believed and spoken of, in international reports and media? Your argument that "firsthand, internal testimonies" are more valuable (e.g. for proving things, for trial) speaks more to a motive of judicial or propaganda narrative-building in general (to be used against the Germans; i.e. an offensive move) than it does a desperate effort to expose an untold secret (e.g. whistleblower activity, or "preserving memory", not being forgotten, etc.). The former option seems more aligned with revisionist views.

Demonstrating that a single author had editorial bias does not even provide evidence for fabrication, especially when other scholars have reported on the same manuscripts without those biases. It's a form of cherry picking which distracts from the bigger picture. I hope you aren't doing that on purpose to troll, but that at least explains why it's a flawed argument.

You're revealing your ignorance again (looks like ConfusedJew wrote this part, not ChatGPT). If the manuscripts were already serving as powerful evidence, why the need to edit them? And where were the Jews organizing massive protests against this historical director, for his actions? There were no protests. In fact, Mark kept his same position as director of the Institute until his death:

"In 1949, Ber (Bernard) Mark, a veteran Jewish Communist, became director of ŻIH; he retained this post until his death in 1966. "

https://encyclopedia.yivo.org/article/228

Not even a slap on the wrist for blatantly fudging 'Holocaust' documents. Just amazing.

Most original manuscripts have been preserved in various archives, such as the Auschwitz State Museum and the Medical Military Museum in St. Petersburg. This preservation allows contemporary scholars to study the unaltered documents, providing opportunities for re-evaluation and more accurate interpretations. The fact that Bernard Mark's editorial practices were controversial really doesn't matter.

The notion that these documents are meant to prove the 'gassing' of millions of people is, frankly, hilarious. A couple of opportunistic Jews handwriting stories which they had already heard floating around as rumor or within their communist network, and for which no verifiable/forensic evidence of any kind exists, is not credible documentation reflecting events having actually occurred.

The Holocaust Encyclopedia goes into more depth on each of the claimed manuscript (scroll) authors. They are:

Salmen Gradowski (scroll said discovered in 1945 near Crematorium II at Birkenau by a Soviet investigative commission).
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... almen/317/

Herman Chaim (scroll allegedly found sometime postwar [details uncertain] in a bottle near crematoria ruins at Birkenau)
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... chaim/325/

Salmen Lewental (scrolls said found in 1961 and 1962 in two containers found near the ruins of Crematorium III at Birkenau)
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... almen/657/

Leib Langfus (scroll said discovered in 1970 in a glass jar within the ruins of Crematorium III, handed over by a resident of Auschwitz)
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... gfus-leib/

Marcel Nadsari (scroll said found in 1980 in a thermos bottle near the ruins of Crematorium III at Birkenau)
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... arcel/706/

Here is an AI-assisted summary of the key concerns for the manuscripts from each author:

- Salmen Gradowski: Gradowski’s writings, including a letter and a diary, contain significant exaggerations and inconsistencies. His letter claims millions were exterminated at Auschwitz and cites mass murders of Czech and Slovakian Jews in 1944 that do not align with documented events or orthodox timelines. The diary barely mentions gas chambers, lacking detail for such a central horror, and includes an improbable reference to passing through Treblinka station during deportation, unlikely for his route in 1942. A separate manuscript is filled with sentimental, novelistic anecdotes rather than factual accounts, mentioning impossible scenarios (e.g., cremation furnaces hot for days without fuel, implausible packing densities of 12 per square meter in gas chambers, and incorrect physiological effects of gas).

- Chaim Herman: Herman’s letter, purportedly found in a bottle after the war with a convoluted discovery history via a Polish student to France, lacks substantive detail about his experiences, deferring to future literature in a way that implies prior knowledge of postwar narratives—an impossibility for a wartime document. It references an unverifiable transport of 200 Sonderkommando members to Majdanek for extermination, information he could not have known while isolated at Auschwitz. The refusal to provide direct testimony in a secret letter and the improbable awareness of later publications point to this being a postwar fabrication rather than a genuine wartime account.

- Salmen Lewental: Lewental’s manuscripts, found in 1961-62, are a mess of illegibility and contradictions. Claims like gassing 1,800 Jews on arrival in December 1942 are impossible since he wasn’t in the Sonderkommando until 1943. Descriptions of facilities mismatch orthodox accounts (single gas chamber vs. multiple), and exaggerated victim numbers (half a million Hungarian Jews burned) are refuted by air photos and deportation records. Postwar terms (“bunker”) and knowledge of resistance narratives he couldn’t have accessed during the war strongly suggest this is a fabricated or heavily edited postwar text.

- Leib Langfus: The manuscript attributed to Langfus, found in a dubious glass jar in 1970 amidst ruins, screams forgery. Key details about gassings are flat-out wrong: a single ceiling hatch in December 1942 doesn’t match any orthodox claims about Auschwitz facilities, and victims turning “blue” contradicts hydrogen cyanide’s effect (which causes a bright red-pink hue, an implausible error for someone who would have witnessed these corpses repeatedly). Absurdities like neatly stacked corpse piles and waiting huts despite alleged bunker capacity, plus postwar terminology (“bunker”), point to a text cobbled together long after the events, likely plagiarizing other dubious accounts like Miklos Nyiszli’s.

- Marcel Nadsari: Nadsari’s account, found in 1980 and tied to a survivor who never publicly testified, is suspiciously close to the polished orthodox narrative but still flawed. Impossible claims like 3,000 people in a 210 m² gas chamber (14 per square meter), self-immolating bodies without fuel, and executions in 6-7 minutes (ignoring gas evaporation and ventilation realities) undermine credibility. His inflated victim count (1.4 million) and lack of detail on key elements like Zyklon B devices suggest either exaggeration or reliance on later, externally shaped stories rather than firsthand observation.

Much like claims of 'whitewashed gas chambers' only appearing in the 1990s from problematic sources, what an absolute shock that the manuscript which is closest to the current orthodox narrative (fewer problems in technical detail) is the one 'discovered' most recently (Nadsari's). There remains no early or verifiable contemporary wartime documents that accurately reflect the current orthodox narrative, which was overwhelmingly constructed postwar.

Thus, the actual contents of the 'scrolls' are every bit as problematic as the circumstances that surround them.

Can you provide any reason to believe that the manuscripts were not authentic or were fabricated? The CODOH thread that you linked to does not even attempt to provide evidence that the scrolls were forged or planted and it doesn't challenge the archaeological and forensic context of their discovery—i.e., buried in situ near the crematoria during or shortly after the events they describe.

Allegedly buried there, discovered by Jewish Communists under Soviet administration (or later), often as show trials occurred, as fake chimneys were being installed, as random people and especially Jewish communists were permitted to walk about the area freely, as figures were being inflated, as claims of extreme and bizarre torture were being invented, etc.; and then further edited/modified by another Jewish communist (Mark) who was not even punished for his actions as an historical director but, instead, allowed to continue them.

Do you suppose that these documents were the only 'Holocaust' documents that Bernard Mark modified in this way? He just happened to get caught the only time he did this?

Very strange.

[Callafangers]

I completely understand the arguments that I'm making but you honestly don't seem to understand yours so let me break this down for you very simply.

There is no use in you making assertions about your intentions. You have completely shot your credibility, as shown here:

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=339

[ConfusedJew]

There is no use in you making assertions about your intentions. You have completely shot your credibility, as shown here:

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=339

Well then it's a good thing that logical argumentation doesn't require credibility so please just stick to the debates without making ad hominem attacks.

Also please respond to the small list of questions at the bottom of my last post.

I will have to return to your other response later and might be gone for a few days while I'm at a conference but I will definitely return.

I don't mind if you use ChatGPT to be honest because it lays out arguments more clearly than most people could do on their own.