Train Records - East vs West

[Churchill]

My understanding of the mainstream account is that there is documentation of Jews being transported to camps in the East but no records of their being deported from the camps. Therefore, we have missing Jews and this is circumstantial evidence in support of killings and also of the numbers of the dead. (For clarity, by "East" here we can say those camps, or their remains, captured by the USSR).

Does the documentation for those Western camps captured by the USA/UK similarly provide good documentation for Jews transferred to the camps and also no documentation of them ever being transferred out?

If both East and West have the same lack of documentation of prisoners being transferred out, what explains this?
If only some, or only Eastern camps, show a lack of documentation of outbound prisoners, what is the explanation for this?

[borjastick]

Are there records for all those we know were transported in and out of Treblinka back westward? How about those tens of thousands who were transported into say Auschwitz and then removed back into German camps such as Belsen or Dachau?

If the main job of removing jews to the hinterlands of Russia why would they need records of that? The stop over camps such as Treblimka were simply part of that initial journey and then they were sent out via the shunting yards and local removal centre called Malkinia Junction. Don't look to make this over complicated because it isn't.

[TlsMS93]

Are there records for all those we know were transported in and out of Treblinka back westward? How about those tens of thousands who were transported into say Auschwitz and then removed back into German camps such as Belsen or Dachau?

If the main job of removing jews to the hinterlands of Russia why would they need records of that? The stop over camps such as Treblimka were simply part of that initial journey and then they were sent out via the shunting yards and local removal centre called Malkinia Junction. Don't look to make this over complicated because it isn't.

This is giving the benefit of the doubt that there is no German document that records this, as if Moscow, London and Washington were an open book where anyone can access all the documents they want. The Germans after the General Government had precarious administrative structures in the Reichskommissariat, so would it be mandatory to have a record of people leaving the Reich and going anywhere?

[bombsaway]

Are there records for all those we know were transported in and out of Treblinka back westward? How about those tens of thousands who were transported into say Auschwitz and then removed back into German camps such as Belsen or Dachau?

If the main job of removing jews to the hinterlands of Russia why would they need records of that? The stop over camps such as Treblimka were simply part of that initial journey and then they were sent out via the shunting yards and local removal centre called Malkinia Junction. Don't look to make this over complicated because it isn't.

This is giving the benefit of the doubt that there is no German document that records this, as if Moscow, London and Washington were an open book where anyone can access all the documents they want. The Germans after the General Government had precarious administrative structures in the Reichskommissariat, so would it be mandatory to have a record of people leaving the Reich and going anywhere?

It should be known (for the conspiracist crowd) that the lack of transportation records are just the beginning of the problem. The resettling and maintenance of millions of Jews in German territory in occupied USSR would have left much more paperwork for the agents of Moscow, London and Washington to locate.

ChatGPT, approximately how much more paperwork generated in comparison to the transportation records, provide a ratio here. Remember the "maintained" Jews need housing, delivery of supplies, and represent a grave concern for the Nazis

https://chatgpt.com/share/67d37251-c078 ... 4fed29e873

The "reasonable" figure here is 100:1

When it's evident that the Soviets couldn't even conceal their involvement in Katyn, in terms of paperwork much smaller, you can begin to see why I find this aspect of revisionism frankly laughable. Speaking to most revisionists, that plausibility concerns are raised for one side but not the other is evidence of a delusional framework.

[Stubble]

Not to bust your bubble bombs, but, looking at the paperwork from the war refugee board, it appears Germans were straight up cutting jews loose in Belarus. I know that sounds like a rhyme, but it isn't. The Soviets held them. There is mention of some of them finally being allowed to go to Turkey on their way to Palestine, and mentioned is the fact that some are being held in Stalingrad.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/301649232

12-2444 is the pertinent article, it will be marked in the right margin.

[Archie]

There are records of Hungarian Jews being sent to Mauthausen and other camps by way of Auschwitz. So by implication they went there by train but I don't know if those actual train records still exist.

[bombsaway]

Not to bust your bubble bombs, but, looking at the paperwork from the war refugee board, it appears Germans were straight up cutting jews loose in Belarus. I know that sounds like a rhyme, but it isn't. The Soviets held them. There is mention of some of them finally being allowed to go to Turkey on their way to Palestine, and mentioned is the fact that some are being held in Stalingrad.

Listen, if you've found evidence of Nazis releasing Jews in Belarus, you've made a genuine discovery in the field. I'm deeply skeptical of this, because the records have been thoroughly combed, but go ahead and show me.

[Stubble]

Bulgaria, my bad. Let me get you a page number for the doc viewer.

Hold tight.

Followed up on page 473 of the reel. Looks like a dud. Cable fron the British says immigrants from Romania held up in Stalingrad Bulgaria.

12-3144

I'm not going to quit looking though.

(I didn't even know there was a Stalingrad in Bulgaria)

[Nessie]

Eric Hunt compiled a list of witnesses who left TII on transports and their destinations. The majority went to Majdanek. They all went to labour camps west or south of TII. None went east.

https://studylib.net/doc/7233192/trebli ... ist-edited

[borjastick]

It should be known (for the conspiracist crowd) that the lack of transportation records are just the beginning of the problem. The resettling and maintenance of millions of Jews in German territory in occupied USSR would have left much more paperwork for the agents of Moscow, London and Washington to locate.

ChatGPT, approximately how much more paperwork generated in comparison to the transportation records, provide a ratio here. Remember the "maintained" Jews need housing, delivery of supplies, and represent a grave concern for the Nazis

https://chatgpt.com/share/67d37251-c078 ... 4fed29e873

The "reasonable" figure here is 100:1

When it's evident that the Soviets couldn't even conceal their involvement in Katyn, in terms of paperwork much smaller, you can begin to see why I find this aspect of revisionism frankly laughable. Speaking to most revisionists, that plausibility concerns are raised for one side but not the other is evidence of a delusional framework.

Starting with the first highlighted line; there weren't millions so please adjust your calculator, or brain, and understand that much. Second what do you mean resettlement and maintenance? They were not resettled or assisted they were told 'now you lot listen up, Moscow is that way, fuck off'. Plus you seem to think they were all dumped there in one big group and one one very long day. Get a grip boy.

Second Katyn has nothing whatsoever to do with this and by bringing it in you expose yourself. The truth of Katyn wasn't exposed until about 30 years ago, perhaps less, and as you know (I hope you do) Katyn was never hidden for very long in terms of the crime itself. Very different to the daily expulsion of jews into various areas of Russia hidden behind the Iron Curtain and the secrecy of Russia and its strange systems.

What was it Churchill said about Russia? Oh yeah...