Human soap made from the fat of jews

[Stubble]

The human soap myth is just as evidenced as many other 'facts' regarding the holocaust that are somehow beyond reproach. It is rejected by the orthodoxy, apparently, because it is not sufficiently evidenced.

Can someone explain this to me in a way that doesn't involve cognates dissonance? A way that is consistent?

[bombsaway]

The human soap myth is just as evidenced as many other 'facts' regarding the holocaust that are somehow beyond reproach. It is rejected by the orthodoxy, apparently, because it is not sufficiently evidenced.

Can someone explain this to me in a way that doesn't involve cognates dissonance? A way that is consistent?

There's no direct evidence for Jew soap.

[Stubble]

I mean, there are the blocks presented as jew soap. Look, if we are bringing back lampshades and shrunken heads at this point, I see no reason to just accept that jew soap doesn't exist.

Besides, how much better evidenced is it than the t4 gas chambers or kula columns? Yet you unironically fully believe the two and reject the one out of hand.

[bombsaway]

I mean, there are the blocks presented as jew soap. Look, if we are bringing back lampshades and shrunken heads at this point, I see no reason to just accept that jew soap doesn't exist.

Besides, how much better evidenced is it than the t4 gas chambers or kula columns? Yet you unironically fully believe the two and reject the one out of hand.

If someone is presenting something as Jew soap, a reasonable question is, how do you know it's Jew soap? So ultimately, if you're doing history, the proper things to do is to go back and answer these questions, and it always comes down to direct evidence. With the kula columns we have lots of witnesses saying they saw them, as well as a document for “4 wire mesh slide-in devices” for krema 2, reasonable assumption there

[Stubble]

I mean, there are the blocks presented as jew soap. Look, if we are bringing back lampshades and shrunken heads at this point, I see no reason to just accept that jew soap doesn't exist.

Besides, how much better evidenced is it than the t4 gas chambers or kula columns? Yet you unironically fully believe the two and reject the one out of hand.

If someone is presenting something as Jew soap, a reasonable question is, how do you know it's Jew soap? So ultimately, if you're doing history, the proper things to do is to go back and answer these questions, and it always comes down to direct evidence. With the kula columns we have lots of witnesses saying they saw them, as well as a document for “4 wire mesh slide-in devices” for krema 2, reasonable assumption there

Are you implying we don't have witnesses that saw jew soap?

[bombsaway]

I mean, there are the blocks presented as jew soap. Look, if we are bringing back lampshades and shrunken heads at this point, I see no reason to just accept that jew soap doesn't exist.

Besides, how much better evidenced is it than the t4 gas chambers or kula columns? Yet you unironically fully believe the two and reject the one out of hand.

If someone is presenting something as Jew soap, a reasonable question is, how do you know it's Jew soap? So ultimately, if you're doing history, the proper things to do is to go back and answer these questions, and it always comes down to direct evidence. With the kula columns we have lots of witnesses saying they saw them, as well as a document for “4 wire mesh slide-in devices” for krema 2, reasonable assumption there

Are you implying we don't have witnesses that saw jew soap?

I'm not implying, I'm telling you.

[Stubble]

The witnesses are at least consistent, describing the same thing, and telling the same story.

It also happens to be a coherent narrative.

When you look at descriptions of kula columns, kula himself even fails that basic standard of rigor.

You aren't saying they all lied, are you? All of them?

[bombsaway]

The witnesses are at least consistent, describing the same thing, and telling the same story.

I've seen no Jew soap witnesses. The one person who said anything said some was made out of poles Russians and uzbeks. Jews not mentioned.

I've told you this repeatedly, yet you still seem to believe these Jew soap testimonies exist. They don't. That's why I'm thinking you have some kind of pathology about this subject, no offense.

[Stubble]

https://codoh.com/library/document/human-soap/

Plenty of lie witnesses, but, you may be correct, I don't see the 3 eyewitnesses in this article, so, I could be mistaken. I'll have to check some other sources.

In this case, you are correct about an ulterior motive. The point of this exercise is to show how a lie on such a large scale, supported by 'material evidence' was perpetrated by the allies.

While this particular bit of fiction didn't quite make it in to the history books, just like steam chambers of death, it did make it into the tribunals.

[bombsaway]

https://codoh.com/library/document/human-soap/

Plenty of lie witnesses, but, you may be correct, I don't see the 3 eyewitnesses in this article, so, I could be mistaken. I'll have to check some other sources.

In this case, you are correct about an ulterior motive. The point of this exercise is to show how a lie on such a large scale, supported by 'material evidence' was perpetrated by the allies.

While this particular bit of fiction didn't quite make it in to the history books, just like steam chambers of death, it did make it into the tribunals.

There aren't any direct testimonies, not 3, not 2, zero. If you are elevating Jews made into soap, to the same level of Jews being gassed, then you should ponder why there are hundreds of testimonies and documents evidencing the latter, and nothing for the former.

[Stubble]

Did you just ignore what I've said in this thread, and completely ignore any implications that can be derived from this event?

How odd

[bombsaway]

Did you just ignore what I've said in this thread, and completely ignore any implications that can be derived from this event?

How odd

You're basically asking me to make your case for you,

But even at Nuremberg I see no evidence of a claim that Jews were turned into soap. Maybe you can find it, idk

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-19-46.asp

Among the same crimes are those on which I shall now submit evidence. On numerous occasions, I have already pointed out that the principal method used to cover up the traces was to burn the corpses, but the same base, rationalized SS technical minds which created gas chambers and murder vans, began devising such methods of complete annihilation of human bodies, which would not only conceal the traces of their crimes, but also serve in the manufacturing of certain products.

In the Danzig Anatomic Institute semi-industrial experiments in the production of soap from human bodies and the tanning of human skin for industrial purposes were carried out. I, submit to the Tribunal, as Exhibit Number USSR-197 (Document Number USSR-197), the testimony of one of the direct participants in the production of soap from human fat. It is the testimony of Sigmund Mazur, who was a laboratory assistant at the Danzig Anatomic Institute.

I omit two pages of the statement and turn to Page 363. I begin the quotation-it is rather long, but I think I shall have the necessary time for the presentation of the evidence, and I beg to draw the attention of Your Honors to this quotation:

"Q: 'Tell us how the soap was made out of human fat at the Danzig Anatomic Institute.'

"A: 'In the courtyard of the Anatomic Institute a one-story stone building of three rooms was built during the summer of 1943. This building was erected for the- utilization of human bodies and for the boiling of bones. This was officially announced by Professor Spanner. This laboratory was called a laboratory for the fabrication of skeletons, the burning of meat and unnecessary bones. But already during the winter of 1943-44 Professor Spanner ordered us to collect

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human fat, and not to throw it away. This order was given to Reichert and Borkmann.

" 'In February 1944 Professor Spanner gave me the recipe for the preparation of soap from human fat. According to this recipe 5 kilos of human fat are mixed with 10 liters of water and 500 or 1,000 grams of caustic soda. All this is boiled 2 or 3 hours and then cooled. The soap floats to the surface while the water and other sediment remain at the bottom. A bit of salt and soda is added to this mixture. Then fresh water is added, and the mixture again boiled 2 or 3 hours. After having cooled the soap is poured into molds.' "

I will present to the Tribunal these molds into which the soap was poured. Further I shall prove that this half-finished sample of human soap was really found in Danzig.

"The soap had an unpleasant odor. In order to destroy this disagreeable odor, Benzolaldehyd was added."

I omit the next part of the quotation, which explains from where they received this preparation. This is of no importance at this stage, and I continue the quotation on Page 364, Paragraph 4:

"The fat of the human bodies was collected by Borkmann and Reichert. I boiled the soap out of the bodies of women and men. The process of boiling alone took several days- from 3 to 7. During two manufacturing processes, in which I directly participated, more than 25 kilograms of soap were produced. The amount of human fat necessary for these two processes was 70 to 80 kilograms collected from some 40 bodies. The finished soap then went to Professor Spanner, who kept it personally.

"The work for the production of soap from human bodies has, as far as I know, also interested Hitler's Government. The Anatomic Institute was visited by the Minister of Education, Rust; the Reichsgesundheitsfuehrer, Doctor Conti; the Gauleiter of Danzig, Albert Forster; as well as professors from other medical institutes.

"I used this human soap for my personal needs, for toilet and for laundering. For myself I took 4 kilograms of this soap." I omit one paragraph and continue the quotation.

"Reichert, Borkmann, Von Bargen, and our chief professor, Spanner, also personally used this soap."

I omit the following paragraphs and conclude the quotation on Page 365, from where I shall read one paragraph which concerns the industrial utilization of human skin:

"In the same way as for human fat, Professor Spanner ordered us to collect human skin, which after having been cleaned of

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fat was treated by certain chemical products. The work on human skin was carried out under the direction of the chief assistant, Von Bargen and Professor Spanner himself. The 'finished' skin was packed in boxes and used for special purposes which I don't know."

I now submit to the Tribunal as Exhibit Number USSR-196 (Document Number USSR-196), the copy of the recipe for soap produced from the corpses of the executed. I will not dwell on this recipe which is identical to that which has already been described in Mazur's testimony. But the proof of the fact that this recipe is correct, Your Honors, can be found in Mazur's record, which has already been submitted to the Tribunal under Document Number USSR-197. I will not quote this record. In order to prove that the record of Mazur's interrogation corresponds to reality, I shall now submit to the Tribunal two documents which have been kindly put at our disposal They are records of sworn statements by two British prisoners of war; in particular that of John Henry Witton, a soldier of the Royal Sussex Regiment. The document is submitted to the Tribunal as Exhibit Number USSR-264 (Document Number USSR-264). The members of the Tribunal will find this quotation in Paragraph 5, Page 495, of the document book. I quote a very short excerpt from this record, if the necessary time is granted to me. This is Page 367. I quote:

"The corpses arrived at an average of seven to eight per day. All of them had been beheaded and were naked. They arrived sometimes in a Red Cross wagon containing five to six corpses in a wooden case and sometimes in a small truck which contained three to four corpses."

I omit the next sentence.

"The corpses were unloaded as quickly as possible and taken down into the cellar, which was entered from a side door in the main entrance hall of the Institute."

I omit the next sentence.

"They were then put into large metal containers where they were then left for approximately 4 months."

I omit the next three sentences and continue the quotation:

"Owing to the preservative mixture in which they were stored, this tissue came away from the bones very easily. The tissue was then put into a boiler about the size of a small kitchen table.... After boiling the liquid it was put into white trays about twice the size of a sheet of foolscap and about 3 centimeters deep."-These were the basins which I have already shown the Tribunal-"Approximately 3 to 4 trayfuls per day were obtained from the machine."

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This witness himself did not witness the application of the soap. but I am submitting to the Tribunal as Exhibit Number USSR-272 (Document Number USSR-272), the written testimony of a British citizen, William Anderson Neely, a corporal of the Royal Signals. The members of the Tribunal will find this excerpt on Page 498 of the document book, Volume 2. I begin the quotation:

"The corpses arrived at an average rate of 2 to 3 per day. All of them were naked and most of them had been beheaded." I interrupt the quotation-I omit two paragraphs and continue the quotation:

"A machine for the manufacture of soap was completed some time in March or April 1944. The British prisoners of war had constructed the building in which it was housed in June 1942. The machine itself was installed by a civilian firm from Danzig by the name of AJRD. It consisted, as far as I remember, of an electrically heated tank in which bones of the corpses were mixed with some acid and melted down.

"This process of melting down took about 24 hours. The fatty portions of the corpses and particularly those of females were put into a crude enamel tank, heated by a couple of bunsen burners. Some acid was also used in this process. "I think it was caustic soda. When boiling had been completed, the mixture was allowed to cool and then cut into blocks for microscopic examination."

I continue the quotation from the following paragraph:

"I cannot estimate the quantity produced, but I saw it used by Danzigers in cleaning tables in the dissecting rooms. They all told me it was excellent soap for this purpose."

I submit half-finished and some finished soap. (Exhibit USSR-393) Here you shall see a small piece of finished soap, which from the exterior, after lying about a few months, reminds you of ordinary household soap. I give it over to the Tribunal. Beside this I now submit to the Tribunal the samples of semi-tanned human skin (Exhibit I]SSR-394). The samples which I now submit prove that the process of manufacturing soap was already completely worked out by the Institute of Danzig; as to the skin it still looks like a semi-finished product. The skin which resembles most the leather used in manufacture is the one you see on top at the left. So one can consider that the experiments on the industrial fabrication of soap from human fats were quite completed in the Danzig Institute. Experiments on tanning of human skin were still incomplete and only the victorious advance of the Red Army put an end to this new crime of the Nazis.

[TlsMS93]

Jews buried bars of soap in Jewish rituals in Jerusalem. In other words, they were people who allegedly knew more about the Holocaust than we gentiles, especially since there is a whole university body dedicated to the subject there.

The collapse of this atrocity narrative was part of a broad concession by the orthodoxy to sanitize the long-worn Holocaust myth. It was a cold and calculating concession on their part.

[Stubble]

Bombs, you misunderstand. I'm trying to get you to look at the whole thing with the same critical rigor you seem to be able to apply to the soap.

More of a lead a horse to water deal.

So far as why I haven't provided the 3 witnesses yet, I'm still trying to find what I read again and honestly hoping my memory isn't somehow faulty here.

I freely admit, I could be wrong, I might be misremembering what I read. In the meantime, I'm not going to quit looking for it until I find it. That's not some malicious act, it's me not having some holocaust weirdness filing index.

(I'm always going strictly from memory here, I don't plan any of these threads or have some 'stuff about the holocaust that looks strange' filing cabinet tucked away some place, I'm honestly surprised by the amount of stuff I have managed to cram between my ears, and most of the time, i can find what I recall without too much effort)

[Archie]

If someone is presenting something as Jew soap, a reasonable question is, how do you know it's Jew soap? So ultimately, if you're doing history, the proper things to do is to go back and answer these questions, and it always comes down to direct evidence. With the kula columns we have lots of witnesses saying they saw them, as well as a document for “4 wire mesh slide-in devices” for krema 2, reasonable assumption there

Are you implying we don't have witnesses that saw jew soap?

I'm not implying, I'm telling you.

I think you're being a little closed-minded here. As I recall, numerous survivors talk about the human soap. We should at least look at a few examples and give them a fair hearing. Then we can decide what to make of them.

Here is a passage from Olga Lengyel's Five Chimneys.

The Nordic Supermen knew how to profit from everything. Immense casks were used to gather the human grease which had melted down at high temperatures. It was not surprising that the camp soap had a peculiar odor. Nor was it astonishing that the internees became suspicious at the sight of certain pieces of fat sausage!

She does not say here if she saw these immense casks with her own eyes or if she heard this from others. This may be first-hand. She does not say she saw the Nazis making the soap, but if there were huge casks with human grease, imo, that would be good circumstantial evidence that they were making human soap. What else would they be collecting that for? Where there's smoke, there's fire, amirite?

She says the soap had a peculiar odor. She is describing her direct experience here. I think this weird smell is cause for suspicion. Especially since there was a fat shortage during the war. Whether we can give any weight to this would depend on whether Lengyel was competent to determine whether the soap was of human origin based on the smell (and other factors like texture). Does human soap have a distinctive smell? I don't know. I think we need additional research on this point. Lengyel was a trained medical professional which may give her an edge with this.

As far as the sausage, this sounds quite speculative. Human sausage would probably taste really bad.

I don't think I agree with strictly dividing testimony into "direct" and "hearsay." This is done in law because with an out-of-court statement there's no way to cross-examine or follow-up. However with history usually you can't cross-examine anyway and so the distinction is less important. It is true that all else equal a first-hand source is better than a second-hand source which is better than a third-hand source, etc. But you don't discard sources just for not being first-hand.

Back to Lengyel. It is unclear whether the casks full of human grease were based on direct observation or she was told this by others. But even in the latter instance, if she heard it from a reliable source and she wasn't too many degrees removed, we shouldn't expect too much deterioration in accuracy. So again I think you are dismissing this too hastily.