https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... =20&t=7943
There I gained a lot of valuable information such as the various drafts for a General plan for the East. The revisionist take on WW2 with respect to Danzig, Britain, Barbarossa being pre-emptive wholly makes sense to me. However, it does not absolve or refute the expansionist claims. I can out of hand reject anyone that claims Germany wanted to murder half the population, just out of common sense, but the goals of colonization seem to be clearly there.
In Table Talks Hitler specifically talks about ethnically cleansing the Crimea, then settling it with Germans. From the entry on July 27, 1941
A later entry from July 2nd, 1942We must take care to prevent a military power from ever again establishing itself on this side of the Urals, for our neighbors to the West would always be allied with our neighbors to the East. That’s how the French once made common cause with the Turks, and now the English are behaving in the same fashion with the Soviets. When I say, on this side of the Urals, I mean a line running two or three hundred kilometers east of the Urals.
It should be possible for us to control this region to the East with two hundred and fifty thousand men plus a cadre of good administrators. Let’s learn from the English, who, with two hundred and fifty thousand men in all, including fifty thousand soldiers, govern four hundred million Indians. This space in Russia must always be dominated by Germans.
Nothing would be a worse mistake on our part than to seek to educate the masses there. It is to our interest that the people should know just enough to recognize the signs on the roads. At present they can’t read, and they ought to stay like that. But they must be allowed to live decently, of course, and that’s also to our interest.
We’ll take the southern part of the Ukraine, especially the Crimea, and make it an exclusively German colony. There’ll be no harm in pushing out the population that’s there now. The German colonist will be the soldier-peasant, and for that I’ll take professional soldiers, whatever their line may have been previously. In this way we shall dispose, moreover, of a body of courageous N.C.O.’s, whenever we need them. In future we shall have a standing army of a million and a half to two million men. With the discharge of soldiers after twelve years of service, we shall have thirty to forty thousand men to do what we like with every year. For those of them who are sons of peasants, the Reich will put at their disposal a completely equipped farm. The soil costs us nothing, we have only the house to build. The peasant’s son will already have paid for it by his twelve years’ service. During the last two years he will already be equipping himself for agriculture. One single condition will be imposed upon him: that he may not marry a townswoman, but a countrywoman who, as far as possible, will not have begun to live in a town with him. These soldier-peasants will be given arms, so that at the slightest danger they can be at their posts when we summon them. That’s how the ancient Austria used to keep its Eastern peoples under control. By the same token, the soldier-peasant will make a perfect schoolteacher. The N.C.O. is an ideal teacher for the little country boy. In any case, this N.C.O. will make a better teacher than our present teacher will make an officer!
Thus we shall again find in the countryside the blessing of numerous families. Whereas the present law of rural inheritance dispossesses the younger sons, in future every peasant’s son will be sure of having his patch of ground. And thirty to forty thousand peasants a year—that’s enormous!
In the Baltic States, we’ll be able to accept as colonists some Dutch, some Norwegians—and even, by individual arrangement, some Swedes.
I know Table Talks is contentious, and therefore I do not rely solely on that. In this interview at minute 37, Germar Rudolf corroborates the existence of these orders to ethnically cleanse Crimea and settle it with South TyroleansI have just read a report by Gauleiter Frauenfeld on the South Tyrol. In it he proposes that the South Tyrolese should be transplanted en masse to the Crimea, and I think the idea is an excellent one. There are few places on earth in which a race can better succeed in maintaining its integrity for centuries on end than the Crimea. The Tartars and the Goths are the living proof of it. I think, too, that the Crimea will be both climatically and geographically ideal for the South Tyrolese, and in comparison with their present settlements it will be a real land of milk and honey.
Their transfer to the Crimea presents neither physical nor psychological difficulty. All they have to do is to sail down just one German waterway, the Danube, and there they are.
https://germarrudolf.com/2018/02/on-the ... lf-hitler/
The whole interview is great.
In the previous thread someone provided a thesis looking at various drafts of the Generalplan Ost, and provided a translation
https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... =20&t=7943
https://web.archive.org/web/20040722015 ... anung.html
The clear pattern is one of colonization and Germanization, even if they don't explicitly cross the line into outright mass murder. Though really, it stretches credulity there would not be mass resistance to forced ethnic cleansing and displacement, which would trigger resistance from the local populations, which may or may not escalate to war.
From this and what's already known such as Mein Kampf and his Secret book on foreign policy, can the following thus be ascertained? Practical considerations (i.e. the looming threat of the USSR) had made possible the realization of the more fantastical and extreme goals of the German National Socialists, in particular Hitler, which included the conquest and colonization of Northeastern Europe (Baltics states, European Russia, Ukraine, maybe Poland), with the long-term vision of colonizing and Germanizing the area with German(ic) settlers, and definitely ethnically cleansing at least some areas (e.g. Crimea). With the locals eventually either being outbred or slowly moved behind the Urals.
