Nessie's epic fail on Belzec

[Keen]

I will be the first to say that... these are some good questions.

That is why Nessie and bombsaway are so afraid to answer them.

[Keen]

Wait Keen, it seems like you accept my answer here

Did the "study" prove that each and every one of the 33 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" actually contained human remians - Yes. - or - No. - ??

What do you think?

I think that the following statement of fact, which can be LEGALLY established as fact in a U.S. court, proves that you are lying, retarded, or both:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 89 graves / cremation pits in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these four sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of -

ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

[Keen]

Here's my best guess at how Nessie would answer them:

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Yes, same as above. Kola's reports speak to his findings, as do the photographs which I assume are representative.

Like Haimi's reports "spoke to his findings"?



We are still waiting for Nessie to provide photographs of 40 % of Sobibor's fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves."

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But he either lied about their existence, or he is too afraid to proffer them.

I'm sure Nessie will be showing us photographs proving the existence of human remains in each and every one of the 33 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Belzec any minute now - wont you Nessie?

[Keen]

I asked you the same question and you're unwilling to answer. So touche

bombsaway, Let's see the proof that Kola's "study" proved that Belzec's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #11 actually contained human remians.

Let's start with the photographs.

Oh, and here is a reminder of the definition of a mass grave:

Mass grave means a place containing the interred remains of multiple persons

And here is a reminder of what allegedly happened to the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves:"

In the spring of 1943, the liquidation of the camp was started. Fences and watchtowers were taken down. buildings of brick, stone and concrete demolished, and the wooden barracks burnt down. Finally, the charred and burnt residue from the cremation pyres - burnt human bones and carbonized wood - was crushed crushed to small fragments in a diesel -operated bone mill supervised by a Jewish prisoner. The crushed remains were tipped into the opened and emptied mass graves.

[Nazgul]

You both have methods of investigation, that are unique to you and bear no resemblance to how historians or criminal investigators work.

You were at best a mere plod, stop pretending you know anything about Investigations let alone police criminal investigations. You know nothing about forensic science or about science in general.

[Keen]

My standard of proof is the same as revisionists.

bombsaway, just because you have the same standard of proof as Nazgul, doesn't mean that it is the same as all revisionists.

Would you like to take that statment back before we move on?

[bombsaway]

My standard of proof is the same as revisionists.

bombsaway, just because you have the same standard of proof as Nazgul, doesn't mean that it is the same as all revisionists.

Would you like to take that statment back before we move on?

I didn't say ALL revisionists, there's clearly ones like yourself who are convinced Kola's study is fraudulent. Rather I mean revisionists who share views with Germar Rudolf and Mattogno.

I don't have to answer any of your questions, this is not an interrogation, and you don't answer the same questions you have posed to me.

[Keen]

I don't have to answer any of your questions

Says the retarded cornered rat.

Keen:

bombsaway, using your own standard of proof:

Did the "study" prove that each and every one of the 33 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" actually contained human remians - Yes. - or - No. - ??

bombsaway:

Yes.

I obviously don't think the study was fraudulent.

bombsaway, Let's see the proof that Kola's "study" proved that Belzec's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #11 actually contained human remians.

Let's start with the photographs.

Oh, and here is a reminder of the definition of a mass grave:

Mass grave means a place containing the interred remains of multiple persons

And here is a reminder of what allegedly happened to the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves:"

In the spring of 1943, the liquidation of the camp was started. Fences and watchtowers were taken down. buildings of brick, stone and concrete demolished, and the wooden barracks burnt down. Finally, the charred and burnt residue from the cremation pyres - burnt human bones and carbonized wood - was crushed crushed to small fragments in a diesel -operated bone mill supervised by a Jewish prisoner. The crushed remains were tipped into the opened and emptied mass graves.

Look at the cornered rat squirm!

[bombsaway]

No you're a cornered rat. The average Keen post is at this level of constructiveness really. This poster should be banned or warned. Any such poster on the orthodox side would have at least been thoroughly reprimanded by now

[Nessie]

I will be the first to say that... these are some good questions.

That is why Nessie and bombsaway are so afraid to answer them.

No, I refuse because of your abuse and bullying and refusal to answer questions.

[Nessie]

You both have methods of investigation, that are unique to you and bear no resemblance to how historians or criminal investigators work.

You were at best a mere plod, stop pretending you know anything about Investigations let alone police criminal investigations. You know nothing about forensic science or about science in general.

You do not know how to evidence people getting off the transports, that you allege, let alone evidencing no mass graves at Belzec.

[Nazgul]

You do not know how to evidence people getting off the transports, that you allege, let alone evidencing no mass graves at Belzec.

The labour camps were serviced by railway.
Trains stopped for extended periods at most labour camps
People have reported arriving at these camps by train.
therefore
trains stopped to allow people to disembark.

Belzec had over 9 labour camps for Jews, which I described in detail elsewhere. I even gave their names. One cannot evidence a non event, the onus of proof is on you as you are claiming these things exist. The rest of us can shut up and wait for your obvious downfall.

[Keen]

No you're a cornered rat.

Let's see about that bombsaway.

By examining each “proven mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

bombsaway, Let's see the proof that Kola's "study" proved that Belzec's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #11 actually contains human remians.

Look at bombsaway squirm!

[Keen]

I will be the first to say that... these are some good questions.

That is why Nessie and bombsaway are so afraid to answer them.

No, I refuse because of your abuse and bullying and refusal to answer questions.

By examining each “proven mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

Nessie, Let's see the proof that Kola's "study" proved that Belzec's fraudulently alleged "huge mass grave" #11 actually contains human remians.

Now lets watch Nessie dodge again!

[Keen]

...let's be honest, these are some good questions. Here's my best guess at how Nessie would answer them:

H - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - ??
True, discovered by Kola and others.

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, same as above. Kola's reports speak to his findings, as do the photographs which I assume are representative.

J - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, a team of individuals participated in the excavations and took core samples, which found and documented a pattern of human remains.

K - Can it be conclusively proven that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, it logically follows that the pattern of samples taken and consistency between them suggest that corpse material was widespread in these areas.

L - Is it a fact that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, the evidence reflects this.

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, by careful review of the documentation provided, it appears conclusively demonstrated that mass graves exist at Belzec.

1 - In total, how many single, disconnected human teeth have been tangibly discovered within the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question: _?_.
This has not been precisely documented. But if I'm honest, very few teeth are explicitly documented (likely dozens at most).

5 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.
The exact dimensions and layout of the graves is determined by the patterns in which core samples were documented as positive for human remains, with each sample typically about 5 meters apart in a grid pattern. This may not be precise or reliable as an indication of what lies between the 5 meter gaps, but I align these findings with witness statements to say this is sufficient. While the contents of each core sample necessarily being any certain percentage of human remains is often uncertain, there is frequently at least a significant portion of ash layer within these samples, and sometimes corpses in wax-fat transformation on the bottom layer.

9 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.
I would simply list here any/all of the 33 graves which are documented to have any variety of human material (e.g. hair, wax-fat, ash with presumed or visible bone matter).

13 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 23 human beings: _?_.
I would simply list here any/all of the 33 graves which have sufficient ash layers to be interpreted as potentially containing a large quantity of crushed-cremated human remains. Many of the reported graves have significant ash layers within the samples taken.

17 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.
[I'll let Nessie sort this out but presumably the one with the largest continuous range of positive core samples with wide and consistent ash layers.]

Callafangers, are you implying that these answers are yours as well?