Stubble wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2025 12:42 am
Recently in another thread, we got to talking about 'homicidal gas chambers' and Bombsaway said that one of the strongest cases for 'homicidal gassings' at Auschwitz Birkenau were the missing jews.
Transports arriving at the camp, the selections and those not selected to work being sent to the Kremas and all of their property being taken for sorting and sale, is circumstantial evidence.
Cracking that open a bit, specifically, the 'Hungarian jews' seem to be a particular point of contention.
Reviewing the article, I ran across a quotation in it that I believe references 'Unemployable Hungarian jews' [around reference number 36].
More broadly I want to ask the forum about the ultimate disposition of these Hungarian jews, specifically the unemployable ones, but, in a more granular way, I'd like to ask, am I misreading the article? Are these 'employable jews' in isolation blocks?
Thank you for your time.
Mattogno's article is typically confused and unable to answer the question,
"What was the fate of the Non-Employable Hungarian Jews?
At the present level of knowledge we cannot answer this question with certainty supported by documents"
It is not just documents that Mattogno is missing, there is no witness or physical evidence of hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews leaving Birkenau after each selection, after they had been sent to the Kremas. The documentary trail for those people ends at the Kremas. There is no evidence to prove life.
Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:03 am
"What was the fate of the Non-Employable Hungarian Jews?
At the present level of knowledge we cannot answer this question with certainty supported by documents"
This quote and the selections support the notion that 14f13 was in full swing at Birkenau, it is likely typhus victims were caught up as well as the decrepit. Of course culling diseased people and the elderly is a crime; both types would be considered non employable. 14f13 was also known as Sonderbehandlung (special treatment) , which has been used for decades as a euphamism for the alleged holocaust. It is understandable that a train load of Jews experiencing some of their own meeting their final path would assume that it were they alone that were being victimized. Of course 14f13 applied to all häftling, not just Jews. Only about 20 000 were offed, but it put the fear of alleh in them all.
Omnia transibunt. Oblivione erimus imperia surgent et cadunt, sed gloria Romae aeterna est!
If they were 'offed', why were transports of Hungarian jews sent to recovery camps, like Bergen Belsan?
Perhaps some on the verge of death were 'mercy killed', I have my doubts.
This specific transport of jews from Hungary seems to have garnered an outsized level of international attention at the time. The United States government apparently considered bribing the nazis with either a swap or $20,000,000.
There were communications between Berlin and the United States even during this late stage in the war.
For $8,000,000 Saly Mayer was able to secure the release of 1,600 jews from Bergen Belsen, although, apparently what was paid to Kurt (the man who released these jews] was actually closer to $2,000,000.
These details are covered in the 'refugees' documents in The National Archives. If I need to cite them, I will.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:31 am
If they were 'offed', why were transports of Hungarian jews sent to recovery camps, like Bergen Belsan?
Perhaps some on the verge of death were 'mercy killed', I have my doubts.
This specific transport of jews from Hungary seems to have garnered an outsized level of international attention at the time. The United States government apparently considered bribing the nazis with either a swap or $20,000,000.
There were communications between Berlin and the United States even during this late stage in the war.
For $8,000,000 Saly Mayer was able to secure the release of 1,600 jews from Bergen Belsen, although, apparently what was paid to Kurt (the man who released these jews] was actually closer to $2,000,000.
These details are covered in the 'refugees' documents in The National Archives. If I need to cite them, I will.
Thanks for your thoughts. I do not think you read my post in the right context. Only a very few were offed under the auspices of 14f13; this smallish but significant figure I believe blew into the 6 or whatever million the world thinks is a fact, well some of the world. At best all over the Reich is was 20 000 deaths. I am interested in the real fact that concentration camp euthanasia was a fact; this is 14f13. Perhaps you may be interested in helping me research this more. You may be aware that there were ~300 Jewish Labour Camps in Austria, specifically for Hungarian Jews in those apparent dark hours. I know Fangers did some more research into those.
I am convinced that 14f13 did occur in Sobibor, disonnected witness all speak the same story: tippers and gunshots shortly before they reboarded their transport to elsewhere.
Omnia transibunt. Oblivione erimus imperia surgent et cadunt, sed gloria Romae aeterna est!
Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:31 am
If they were 'offed', why were transports of Hungarian jews sent to recovery camps, like Bergen Belsan?
Perhaps some on the verge of death were 'mercy killed', I have my doubts.
This specific transport of jews from Hungary seems to have garnered an outsized level of international attention at the time. The United States government apparently considered bribing the nazis with either a swap or $20,000,000.
There were communications between Berlin and the United States even during this late stage in the war.
For $8,000,000 Saly Mayer was able to secure the release of 1,600 jews from Bergen Belsen, although, apparently what was paid to Kurt (the man who released these jews] was actually closer to $2,000,000.
These details are covered in the 'refugees' documents in The National Archives. If I need to cite them, I will.
Thanks for your thoughts. I do not think you read my post in the right context. Only a very few were offed under the auspices of 14f13; this smallish but significant figure I believe blew into the 6 or whatever million the world thinks is a fact, well some of the world. At best all over the Reich is was 20 000 deaths. I am interested in the real fact that concentration camp euthanasia was a fact; this is 14f13. Perhaps you may be interested in helping me research this more. You may be aware that there were ~300 Jewish Labour Camps in Austria, specifically for Hungarian Jews in those apparent dark hours. I know Fangers did some more research into those.
I am convinced that 14f13 did occur in Sobibor, disonnected witness all speak the same story: tippers and gunshots shortly before they reboarded their transport to elsewhere.
I did indeed misread your post Mr Wraith.
I thought you meant 20,000 out of the transports of Hungarian jews specifically at Auschwitz Birkenau.
That's my bad.
Also, of course I'd be keen on helping you out, start a thread and I'll grab my lantern and shovel.
were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:03 am
"What was the fate of the Non-Employable Hungarian Jews?
At the present level of knowledge we cannot answer this question with certainty supported by documents"
This quote and the selections support the notion that 14f13 was in full swing at Birkenau, it is likely typhus victims were caught up as well as the decrepit. Of course culling diseased people and the elderly is a crime; both types would be considered non employable. 14f13 was also known as Sonderbehandlung (special treatment) , which has been used for decades as a euphamism for the alleged holocaust. It is understandable that a train load of Jews experiencing some of their own meeting their final path would assume that it were they alone that were being victimized. Of course 14f13 applied to all häftling, not just Jews. Only about 20 000 were offed, but it put the fear of alleh in them all.
You attributed a quote to me, when it should be attributed to Mattogno. Don't worry, you are not alone in being unable to correctly quote people, it is a typical revisionist failing, even though it is quite a simple task.
Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 9:31 am
If they were 'offed', why were transports of Hungarian jews sent to recovery camps, like Bergen Belsan?
What is a "recovery camp"? Can you evidence the Nazis calling any of their camps that? Or did you just make it up?
Perhaps some on the verge of death were 'mercy killed', I have my doubts.
Your doubts are unimportant. Evidence is. Euthanasia was proven to have been used by the Nazis.
This specific transport of jews from Hungary seems to have garnered an outsized level of international attention at the time. The United States government apparently considered bribing the nazis with either a swap or $20,000,000.
There were communications between Berlin and the United States even during this late stage in the war.
For $8,000,000 Saly Mayer was able to secure the release of 1,600 jews from Bergen Belsen, although, apparently what was paid to Kurt (the man who released these jews] was actually closer to $2,000,000.
These details are covered in the 'refugees' documents in The National Archives. If I need to cite them, I will.
Funny how when you think it will help you, you do gather evidence.
Nessie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:10 am
Your doubts are unimportant. Evidence is. Euthanasia was proven to have been used by the Nazis.
Yes it was and this is the origins of the "holocaust". The selections for elderly, typhus were not just for Juden. They were shot and not gassed.
Anyhow Stubble and I including fangers will work on this, you are welcome if you can use intellect instead of emotion and pretence of known evidencing. A sweet potato never speaks of how sweet it is.
Omnia transibunt. Oblivione erimus imperia surgent et cadunt, sed gloria Romae aeterna est!
Nessie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:10 am
Your doubts are unimportant. Evidence is. Euthanasia was proven to have been used by the Nazis.
Yes it was and this is the origins of the "holocaust". The selections for elderly, typhus were not just for Juden. They were shot and not gassed.
Anyhow Stubble and I including fangers will work on this, you are welcome if you can use intellect instead of emotion and pretence of known evidencing. A sweet potato never speaks of how sweet it is.
Nessie and her mates use the 'extrapolation effect'. If something happened once for just a few jews on a wet Tuesday afternoon somewhere in Germany or Poland then it absolutely happened everywhere to all jews and thus proves millions were murdered.
Of the four million jews under German control, six million died and five million survived!
Nessie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:10 am
Your doubts are unimportant. Evidence is. Euthanasia was proven to have been used by the Nazis.
Yes it was and this is the origins of the "holocaust". The selections for elderly, typhus were not just for Juden. They were shot and not gassed.
Anyhow Stubble and I including fangers will work on this, you are welcome if you can use intellect instead of emotion and pretence of known evidencing. A sweet potato never speaks of how sweet it is.
Nessie and her mates use the 'extrapolation effect'. If something happened once for just a few jews on a wet Tuesday afternoon somewhere in Germany or Poland then it absolutely happened everywhere to all jews and thus proves millions were murdered.
I am male and you are lying about how I evidence what happened. I have clearly got you very rattled.
Nazgul wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:25 am
Yes it was and this is the origins of the "holocaust". The selections for elderly, typhus were not just for Juden. They were shot and not gassed.
Anyhow Stubble and I including fangers will work on this, you are welcome if you can use intellect instead of emotion and pretence of known evidencing. A sweet potato never speaks of how sweet it is.
Nessie and her mates use the 'extrapolation effect'. If something happened once for just a few jews on a wet Tuesday afternoon somewhere in Germany or Poland then it absolutely happened everywhere to all jews and thus proves millions were murdered.
I am male and you are lying about how I evidence what happened. I have clearly got you very rattled.
I just looked in the mirror my dear lady and I didn't see any rattling going on here matey girl.
There are pills available for Extrapolation Syndrome you know.
Of the four million jews under German control, six million died and five million survived!
borjastick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:17 pm
Nessie and her mates use the 'extrapolation effect'. If something happened once for just a few jews on a wet Tuesday afternoon somewhere in Germany or Poland then it absolutely happened everywhere to all jews and thus proves millions were murdered.
This only applied to him; he often asks for a single piece of evidence which we more than often than not provide. When we do he replies to the effect "that is a one off case", then another "show me". This is a self proclaimed historian who has little interest in the truth but another reality. If this man was ever in the Poileas Alba, Robbie Burns must be spinning in his grave.
Omnia transibunt. Oblivione erimus imperia surgent et cadunt, sed gloria Romae aeterna est!
borjastick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 20, 2025 4:17 pm
Nessie and her mates use the 'extrapolation effect'. If something happened once for just a few jews on a wet Tuesday afternoon somewhere in Germany or Poland then it absolutely happened everywhere to all jews and thus proves millions were murdered.
This only applied to him; he often asks for a single piece of evidence which we more than often than not provide. When we do he replies to the effect "that is a one off case", then another "show me". This is a self proclaimed historian who has little interest in the truth but another reality. If this man was ever in the Poileas Alba, Robbie Burns must be spinning in his grave.
Would you accept evidence of a gassing under the T4 euthanasia programme as evidence over a million were gassed at the AR camps? Of course you would not. So, not surprisingly, when you present evidence from Peter Lantoz, or Miss X, as you do repeatedly, that is not evidence to prove what happened to millions.
