Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

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Re: Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

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Nessie wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 9:08 am
Nazgul wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 8:51 am
Nessie wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 8:41 am To really prove no mass graves, there would be evidence that the ground where witnesses claimed mass graves were located, was undisturbed, or it had little in the way of disturbances and what was buried, was not corpses. They cannot do that, so they merely dispute the evidence of large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains.
This not true, the evidence has been presented that the current site of TII was used as a Soviet artillary and aerial bombing range. This is constantly ignored by this poster as is the fact of the stops of transports at Jewish Labour camps. He demands evidence but ignores what fails to confirm some bizarre theory he has.
No evidence has been presented that TII was used as a range. There is evidence of the use of explosives, as Soviet soldiers joined the local Polish grave robbers. That evidence has not been ignored. You ignore all the evidence of the digging of mass graves at the camp.

Neither has the evidence of stops by transports on the way to the camp been ignored. I have done more research than you, in to what happened at the stops, and found evidence they were not to let prisoners off to go to nearby camps and ghettos. You have failed to produce evidence that prisoners were let off and ignore evidence those camps and ghettos were temporary and most closed before TII did.
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
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Re: Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

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Nazgul wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:54 am
Nessie wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 9:08 am No evidence has been presented that TII was used as a range. There is evidence of the use of explosives, as Soviet soldiers joined the local Polish grave robbers. That evidence has not been ignored. You ignore all the evidence of the digging of mass graves at the camp.
Evidence has been presented and conveniently forgotten by yourself. It is presented again.
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/AmicusCuriaeDemjanjuk.html

The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army. This obliteration of traces of the Treblinka II camp by the Soviets took place because the Soviet propaganda machine tried to attach a 3,500,000 victim-count to this small, 12-hectare transit camp. Apparently, the Soviets were afraid that the Allies might request an international commission of investigation of the camp, as demanded by the November 15th, 1942 report of the underground government of the Warsaw ghetto. The report of the Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland was explicit in putting the blame for this obliteration of the camp where it belonged, on the Red Army, for the: "premeditated destruction of evidence of German crimes and atrocities as well as profanation of partially cremated human remains and ashes."
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Re: Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

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Nessie wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 12:04 pm
Nazgul wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 11:54 am
Nessie wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 9:08 am No evidence has been presented that TII was used as a range. There is evidence of the use of explosives, as Soviet soldiers joined the local Polish grave robbers. That evidence has not been ignored. You ignore all the evidence of the digging of mass graves at the camp.
Evidence has been presented and conveniently forgotten by yourself. Due to this dishonesty the admins should decide your fate.
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/AmicusCuriaeDemjanjuk.html

The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army. This obliteration of traces of the Treblinka II camp by the Soviets took place because the Soviet propaganda machine tried to attach a 3,500,000 victim-count to this small, 12-hectare transit camp. Apparently, the Soviets were afraid that the Allies might request an international commission of investigation of the camp, as demanded by the November 15th, 1942 report of the underground government of the Warsaw ghetto. The report of the Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland was explicit in putting the blame for this obliteration of the camp where it belonged, on the Red Army, for the: "premeditated destruction of evidence of German crimes and atrocities as well as profanation of partially cremated human remains and ashes."
The Commission was condemning the Soviets for destroying evidence, not that they were using it as a "range". Do you know what a range is? Can you not understand your own source? The Commission must have not been aware that the use of explosives was by soldiers joining in with the grave robbing and that it did not involve aerial bombing, for which there is no evidence.

Now, stop lying that I ignore that the camp was subject to the use of explosives and remember, this thread is about Belzec, not TII.
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Re: Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

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Nazgul wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 12:11 pm
Nessie wrote: Wed Sep 24, 2025 12:04 pm The Commission was condemning the Soviets for destroying evidence, not that they were using it as a "range".
The lack of comprehension by the above poster is wanting. Let me highlight the important bits.
The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army.

To pulverize something means to do great damage to it or to destroy it completely; this is not just destroying evidence.
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Re: Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

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Nessie:
There is evidence of the use of explosives. That evidence has not been ignored.

Stop lying that I ignore that the camp was subject to the use of explosives.
Nessie,
1 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; It has been evidenced that the Treblinka II camp was pulverized with aerial bombs - ??

2 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc. - were dug at Treblinka II - ??

3 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Archaeologists can easily distinguish a garbage pit from a mass grave?

4 - How many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?
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