The CODOH Revisionist Forum

Callafangers wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 6:36 am

Eye of Zyclone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 3:37 am For info, grey and black layers of soil are not necessarily layers of ashes. Hydric soils also display grey and black layers.

Fair point. There's no question we are at the "mercy" of the team that did the digging/drilling, having to decide whether or not we can trust they did so with sincere intentions, appropriate competence, and documented their findings accurately. There is a lot that can be said about the contents of the reports but I lean toward the interpretation that they were most likely well-intentioned. And as it turns out, their findings align well with non-incriminating corpse quantities reflecting Sobibor as a common-sense economic and disinfestation border/transit facility.

It is always interesting to me that everyone seems to acknowledge that the ghettos generally didn't have their own crematory facilities. We are all just supposed to assume the many thousands of corpses (from disease, etc.) were buried somewhere nearby, maybe because 'Shmuel Bergstein' said so, in some instances (but not all)... Meanwhile, outdoor pyres and typhus control measures were already taking place at nearby border facilities and trains from the ghettos were already being sent en route toward these border stations. Thus, findings of thousands or even low-mid tens of thousands of corpses at the 'Reinhardt' sites (if being charitable) is perfectly within a revisionist interpretation, no further minimization needed.

All of that said, yes, the reports (e.g. Kola) are weak, vague, and with all of the political (and ideological) motives and liars surrounding the 'Holocaust', it is very much justified to expect much more before concluding on too specific a range of actual corpses here. We know with certainty that property (furniture, clothing, papers, etc.) were being burned and buried en masse.

Eye of Zyclone wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 12:07 pm True. No serious person can believe that such a massive wartime population transfer would have resulted in a death toll of zero deportees. A mortality rate of 10 or 20% would necessarily have generated a need for the disposal of hundreds of thousands of corpses in that area and beyond. I was not challenging that. I was just reminding everyone that caution is advised when dealing with statements from these people, whose dishonesty and political biases are no longer in doubt.

By examining each “proven mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

Remember: If the alleged Sobibor “holocaust” really did happen as alleged, then there actually would be numerous discernable extant huge mass graves filled with the remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people to prove it. So this is not a historical issue per se; this is clearly about - SCIENCE - and all that is being done here is the common-sense act of simply asking to see the alleged “archaeological proof” that the true-believers insist is so “undeniable.” Remember also - it is ipso facto proof of fraud - if a scientist refuses to answer pertinent questions about their alleged / insinuated discoveries.

Callafangers wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 9:42 am They do indeed wear "Holocaust goggles"

There's no question we are at the "mercy" of the team that did the digging/drilling, having to decide whether or not we can trust they did so with sincere intentions, appropriate competence, and documented their findings accurately.

Nessie wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 1:06 pm Bla, bla, bla...

A - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 24 alleged graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

bombsaway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 6:35 am I think the only reason that Callafangers and Archie believe the studies were "real" is that they think the results themselves are damning to orthodoxy.

Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 8:03 am I think Keen has admirably demonstrated that the various teams have been composed of delusional frauds.

Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 10:16 am I believe your response to the image I pulled from one the Sobibor digs, of grave 5, was 'too many farts for revisionists to explain'.

There were no bodies in wax fat transformation.

Using Hanlon's Razor and trying to be charitable, I made the argument you just made. Basically, 'The data was misinterpreted from the bore studies by Kola because his holocaust goggles are too tight'.

Then Keen leaned in with what has been said about the digs, by Kola and others, and their blatant misrepresentations of what has been found.

I must concede, fraud indeed applies as a descriptor. I apologize for being the one to tell you this, and I didn't want to believe it either. Unfortunately, it is the truth. They are lying.

/shrug

• Excavations in general are far more often an archaeological specialty than a scientific one. Kola and other teams conducting these investigations are not without basis to apply less-stringent standards, simply digging and documenting as archaeologists generally do
• There is the issue of permission in these diggings: we all know that various jurisdictions (and their rabbis) have prohibited diggings in many cases, or ordered that the diggings be stopped the very moment that 'findings' (corpses) are discovered
• Due to the perceived sensitivity of the topic, we might not expect zoomed-in, high-definition photographs of human skin/hair remains; these likely would not make it onto the final report
• If these excavation teams were really committing fraud to 'prove the Holocaust', you'd think they would have provided something that shows quantities in the range of what the 'Holocaust' alleges -- instead, they solidify that there is orders of magnitude less

Keen wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 1:39 pm

bombsaway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 6:35 am I think the only reason that Callafangers and Archie believe the studies were "real" is that they think the results themselves are damning to orthodoxy.

Exactly, they (and their ilk) know that the average person has a hard time accepting that the orthodox holohoax story sits on a foundation of big-lies (Hitler explained the big-lie technique very well), and they themselves have an even harder time believing that the "science" allegedly "proving" the holohoax is yet another massive big-lie piled onto the historical big-lies.

bombsaway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 9:28 pm

this is why they fear us, Keen

Callafangers wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 9:09 pm

Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 10:16 am I believe your response to the image I pulled from one the Sobibor digs, of grave 5, was 'too many farts for revisionists to explain'.

There were no bodies in wax fat transformation.

Using Hanlon's Razor and trying to be charitable, I made the argument you just made. Basically, 'The data was misinterpreted from the bore studies by Kola because his holocaust goggles are too tight'.

Then Keen leaned in with what has been said about the digs, by Kola and others, and their blatant misrepresentations of what has been found.

I must concede, fraud indeed applies as a descriptor. I apologize for being the one to tell you this, and I didn't want to believe it either. Unfortunately, it is the truth. They are lying.

/shrug

Stubble, I am not sure what you are referring to, here? "Too many farts for revisionists to explain" has never been my words. If you're paraphrasing tongue-in-cheek, please at least link the statement you're basing it upon.

The bodies in wax-fat transformation are reported in the core samples -- not photographed. The term "wax-fat" is mentioned 14 times over the course of the 33 alleged graves reviewed:

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... camps.html

You can insist they are lying and "apologize for being the one to tell" me anything , but you're now taking on the burden to prove to neutral listeners in the court of public opinion that this entire team has indeed conspired to commit fraud outright. Good luck with that -- the evidence presented so far by you, Keen, etc. does not suffice for this. It is a dead-end, in terms of progressing revisionism. It's the same reason that Keen (Greg Gerdes) has been spamming his famous questions on every message board he can find for the last 20+ years and yet the 'Holocaust' is still widely-accepted by nations globally. Keen is not going to write a book on anything, ever, since his pages would be filled with the same circular, dead-end argumentation he's demonstrated his maximum capacity for. It's useful for promoting the overall paradigm shift (makes you say, "hmmm...") but no intelligent, open-minded person would find it especially compelling or conclusive against the weight of the entire 'Holocaust' establishment. Mattogno, Rudolf, Graf, and others get credit for this -- not Greg Gerdes.

Keen/Greg insist "this is about science" despite the issue clearly not being only about science, since there are obvious political and investigative dimensions which impact how, whether, and to what degree the scientific method can be applied here. Consider:

• Excavations in general are far more often an archaeological specialty than a scientific one. Kola and other teams conducting these investigations are not without basis to apply less-stringent standards, simply digging and documenting as archaeologists generally do
• There is the issue of permission in these diggings: we all know that various jurisdictions (and their rabbis) have prohibited diggings in many cases, or ordered that the diggings be stopped the very moment that 'findings' (corpses) are discovered
• Due to the perceived sensitivity of the topic, we might not expect zoomed-in, high-definition photographs of human skin/hair remains; these likely would not make it onto the final report
• If these excavation teams were really committing fraud to 'prove the Holocaust', you'd think they would have provided something that shows quantities in the range of what the 'Holocaust' alleges -- instead, they solidify that there is orders of magnitude less

The bottom-line is that it has not been proven (not by a long shot) that these teams themselves were deliberately dishonest, rather than simply biased and misguided like the rest of society. There is zero evidence of this, which is why Keen focuses on spamming his usual questions rather than providing actual evidence of fraudulence. If there were clear evidence of fraudulence, revisionists would have zeroed-in on this decades ago and there would be no need to spam the same questions and belligerent insults with big red font, etc., over and over again.

Callafangers wrote: ↑Tue Sep 16, 2025 12:27 am

Stubble wrote: ↑Sun Sep 14, 2025 6:08 pm
Oh but they did;



This is from one of the 2013 digs. Spring if I recall correctly, there are others.

"...and in this next grave, you can tragically witness Jewish flatulence buried by the Nazis, emanating from the ground... by our count, there are 12,800 farts buried here, far too many to be explained by deniers..."

Checkmate, Nazis.

bombsaway wrote: ↑Thu Nov 27, 2025 9:28 pm

this is why they fear us, Keen