Numar Patru wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 1:50 am
This whole thread is just a bunch of silliness.
There’s an easy way to answer the question of where the murdered Jews went.
The standard history says around six million Jews were killed. Fully 10% of those Jews were sent to a single camp: Belzec.
If you believe these Jews were resettled elsewhere, I’m asking for proof for a tiny percentage. Can you identify six Jews sent to Belzec who turned up someplace else after the war? That’s just 1/10,000th of the total number of Jews killed.
Regarding your likely objection, as seen in this thread, it’s been 30+ years since the Soviet regime fell and its records were opened. Anyone who knows anything about Soviet resettlement policies knows that these actions were meticulously documented. That Stalin would refuse to have millions of Jews being settled or sent to labor camps documented simply beggars belief. No serious scholar of the USSR will tell you otherwise.
Who’s up for the challenge? I can provide the list of towns and ghettos sending their Jews to Belzec and can provide lists of Jews for many of these towns. All you have to do is say you agree to the challenge.
Numar, welcome to the forum. You're asking a question that assumes a whole lot:
- You assume a certain number of the Jews sent East could have survived the war (what number could have survived?)
- You assume the Iron Curtain could have only limited the discovery of Jews by X amount (how many Jews is X? I.e. how ineffective was the Iron Curtain?)
- You assume Jews sent East could have survived many years post-war (how many years/Jews?)
- You assume researchers were asking Jews about their eastbound travels under the Nazi regime (who was asking, and when?)
- You assume Jews are generally motivated to expose Holocaust-related exaggerations (then why so little call-outs of false witnesses?)
- You assume no ideological or tribal motivations drive Jews to allow or embellish more elaborate 'Holocaust' narratives (but these motives are significant)
- You assume Allied governments did not conspire and collaborate to falsify a narrative (then why were they all caught falsifying claims of German atrocities, numerous times, and never holding each other accountable in this regard?)
Overall, the argument you are implying via your question is an
invalid one:
- "If revisionists cannot pinpoint any of these Jews, they were all 'exterminated' in a gas chamber."
There are many ways global superpowers, after
winning the entire world at war, can develop systems which portray a certain narrative, including fabricating, filtering, and distorting evidence to suit their agenda (this is what happens when you obtain all of your enemy's records and archives, imprison them all, and hold their families hostage). Jewish power and motives (e.g. Zionism) complicate these questions even further.
While "where did they go?" is a question not so easily verified, what
can be verified is whether or not there are millions of Jewish corpses buried underground
in the exact places where they were allegedly buried. And we can now confirm:
no, the corpses (of any incriminating scale) are simply not there.
We can also use reason and logical inferences to deduce that: if mass cremation operations of millions of Jews occurred in these places, massive amounts of fuel would be necessary. Yet, in addition to the extremely-problematic witness claims in this regard, there is no evidence the delivery or access to the required fuel (we are talking many
tens of thousands of massive deliveries, at minimum -- giant semi trucks, massive oil tankers, entire forests cleared of trees, etc. -- yet we have
nothing at all: no documents attesting to such deliveries, not even witnesses who have claimed such things happening).
Similarly, the murder weapons (gas chambers, gas vans) are not there. None have been physically found, no blueprints nor even contemporary reports from Germans, etc. (all we have is contemporary and
often clearly false narrative-spinning from propagandists, and rumors from various individuals hearing these stories and then documenting these same stories in their diaries, etc.). Contemporary, verifiable documentation of any kind making clear any Jewish extermination program or policy is
not there (whereas such evidence
is there for transit/resettlement/quarantine, and explicitly so).
What we can also confirm are extensive patterns of provable lies, stark inconsistencies, etc., even among key witnesses -- all sharing the similar pattern of fabricating or embellishing the scale and nature of alleged German atrocities. This is a huge problem, especially given the fact that witness testimony is presented as the most important form of evidence, from the exterminationist's perspective. Of course, this perspective itself is misguided, as physical/forensic evidence
always trumps documentary/testimonial evidence, wherever the two conflict.
In short, your question is not so important nor meaningful against the revisionist view as you have seemed to imply. Victorious powers had the motive and, most importantly, the means to rewrite history -- that is what happens when you win a world war. Unfortunately, they failed to secure their narrative in key areas (e.g. evidence of corpses, cremation, FeCN concentrations, witness and documentation consistency/credibility/accuracy, etc.) which revisionists have since exposed.
