Suggestion for a new holocaust section

[Callafangers]

Why any holyH true-believer who is discussing in good faith even needs to be anonymous beats me. That alone does rather prove they are NOT arguing in good faith.

This is true for "believers" but tilts the table heavily against revisionists who still face ongoing social, legal, professional, financial, etc. persecution for "coming out" even with the best of intentions regarding their stance on this subject. This proposal of yours/Keen's could lead eventually to a subforum that has lots of members on the exterminationist side and few revisionist takers, for obvious reasons, skewing the rightful balance of the debate which shouldn't be impacted by these social/legal/etc repression efforts. The reason carving out special advantages for using real names wouldn't be ideal here is the same reason revisionists are disadvantaged in the "real world". There is great personal risk for most revisionists in using their real names, whereas there is near-zero risk (and possibly some praise or incentives) for exterminationists.

[HansHill]

Last thing I will post in this stupid thread before noping out: I don't necessarily think Keen or any regular poster here, on either side, is a Fed or state actor. I do however believe forums like this are monitored by intelligence and state agencies, if not by actual people then at least by bots and / or AI tools.

For this reason alone, even were "Holocaust Denial" perfectly legal in your jurisdiction, and you were a credentialed chemical engineer in a related field (hi!), coming to the attention of these actors is not something you wish to invite onto your self in any capacity, accidentally and certainly not by intention. Please do not listen to what the OP has suggested here or be tempted by it for stupid reasons.

Look at what happened to Mr Rudolf during his most recent time in prison. You do not want a swarm of African gentlemen knowing details about you or your identity, despite someone called "Keen" calling you a cahoonie on a forum.

I also invite the admin team to lock future doxing attempts, lest someone be stupid enough to be persuaded.

[Stubble]

I suggest this thread would be more appropriate in the 'housekeeping' sub.

Also, I firmly agree with Mr Hill's assessment. For a simple propane salesman, he sure has good intuition.

[Keen]

Why any holyH true-believer who is discussing in good faith even needs to be anonymous beats me. That alone does rather prove they are NOT arguing in good faith.

Exactly!

[Keen]

There is great personal risk for most revisionists in using their real names

What is wrong with you fucking retards? It's a subforum for people who WANT to use their real names, but will not unless those who are challenging them use their real names as well. Anyone challenged who cannot use their real name without fear of prosecution only need to say so. I can't believe the cowardice I'm seeing here.

whereas there is near-zero risk (and possibly some praise or incentives) for exterminationists.

Exactly - s'ee Wahrheitssucher's point quoted above.

[Keen]

Last thing I will post in this stupid thread before noping out: I don't necessarily think Keen or any regular poster here, on either side, is a Fed or state actor. I do however believe forums like this are monitored by intelligence and state agencies, if not by actual people then at least by bots and / or AI tools.

For this reason alone, even were "Holocaust Denial" perfectly legal in your jurisdiction, and you were a credentialed chemical engineer in a related field (hi!), coming to the attention of these actors is not something you wish to invite onto your self in any capacity, accidentally and certainly not by intention. Please do not listen to what the OP has suggested here or be tempted by it for stupid reasons.

Look at what happened to Mr Rudolf during his most recent time in prison. You do not want a swarm of African gentlemen knowing details about you or your identity, despite someone called "Keen" calling you a cahoonie on a forum.

I also invite the admin team to lock future doxing attempts, lest someone be stupid enough to be persuaded.

You HansHll, are a retarded coward. Everything you just said above has been addressed earlier. One does not dox themselfs you idiot.

How much jail time has Mr. Gerdes done for posting this: http://thisisaboutscience.com/ ???

You still don't understand the definition of voluntary?

[Keen]

This proposal of yours/Keen's could lead eventually to a subforum that has lots of members on the exterminationist side and few revisionist takers

If one is afraid to post a statement of fact under their real name and defend it, then they don't have much confidence that what they posted is a fact. Challenging others to find even the slightest crack in your rebuttable presumption will only give you the opportunity to fix that crack and make the statement of fact irrefutable. The goal is to test yourself. The goal is to reach perfection. The goal is to develop a statement of fact that is flawless and irrefutable. The cowardice exibited here today in this thread is stunning. The stupidity even more so. No wonder the jews are still allowed to shove their lies down the ignorant masses' throats. The jews are chortling reading what the likes of you cowards are writing. You "revisionists" embarass me. If you think that you're the toughest SOB on the block, you stand out in the middle of the street and challenge all commers. To pretent that you are the toughest SOB on the block, yet refuse to stand in the middle of the street and accept all challengers, you are nothing but a delusional coward.

And you''re afraid that some exterminationist is going to post a a statement of fact about the holohoax and be able to defend it without lying and dodging? Give me a break, and give me an example of such.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Why doesn't Nick Gerdes start a super serious facts and logic thread for himself and Dr Terry to spit facts and logic under their legal names?

I don't think you need Archie to set up an entire sub forum for it?

Duh!
It was suggested that this new sub-forum would have much more stringent rules of debate! Ones that didn’t allow the usual dodging, deceitfulness and duplicity.

You guys appear to me to be arguing against your own miscomprehensions.

[Archie]

This proposal of yours/Keen's could lead eventually to a subforum that has lots of members on the exterminationist side and few revisionist takers

If one is afraid to post a statement of fact under their real name and defend it, then they don't have much confidence that what they posted is a fact. Challenging others to find even the slightest crack in your rebuttable presumption will only give you the opportunity to fix that crack and make the statement of fact irrefutable. The goal is to test yourself. The goal is to reach perfection. The goal is to develop a statement of fact that is flawless and irrefutable. The cowardice exibited here today in this thread is stunning. The stupidity even more so. No wonder the jews are still allowed to shove their lies down the ignorant masses' throats. The jews are chortling reading what the likes of you cowards are writing. You "revisionists" embarass me. If you think that you're the toughest SOB on the block, you stand out in the middle of the street and challenge all commers. To pretent that you are the toughest SOB on the block, yet refuse to stand in the middle of the street and accept all challengers, you are nothing but a delusional coward.

And you''re afraid that some exterminationist is going to post a a statement of fact about the holohoax and be able to defend it without lying and dodging? Give me a break, and give me an example of such.

Hi Keen,

You have been placed under "quarantine." I have made a subforum on the Debate board. For the time being, you are only allowed to post there. Other posters are free to correspond with you there if they so choose. Or they can ignore you.

viewforum.php?f=32

Here is a reminder from the forum rules. You need to take this to heart if you ever want to have your full posting privileges restored.

Maintain a high signal to noise ratio, i.e., make sure your posts are informative and that they make a meaningful addition to the discussion. High noise posting is especially unwelcome on the Debate board.

In particular,

-Do not bump a bunch of threads all at once unless you have something to add to the discussion
-Do not post four or five replies in a row in the same thread, again, unless each of those comments adds something meaningful to the discussion
-Do not bully other posters (calling them girl names, etc)

You have almost a thousand posts and most of them are essentially repetitions of the same basic point. It's gotten old and it clutters up the forum. Such posting is not welcome.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Why any holyH true-believer who is discussing in good faith even needs to be anonymous beats me. That alone does rather prove they are NOT arguing in good faith.

This is true for "believers" but tilts the table heavily against revisionists who still face ongoing social, legal, professional, financial, etc. persecution for "coming out" even with the best of intentions regarding their stance on this subject.

I agree.

This proposal of yours…

It’s not mine. It’s Keen’s.

…Keen's could lead eventually to a subforum that has lots of members on the exterminationist side and few revisionist takers, for obvious reasons, skewing the rightful balance of the debate which shouldn't be impacted by these social/legal/etc repression efforts.

This is merely speculation.
As I pointed out previously, there are already courageous cadres who refute the bogus aspects of the legally-protected holyH
mass-gassing mythology. The suggestion from Keen — as I understood him — was that a sub-forum be created where protagonists could debate areas of contention with rules similar to as in a court of law.

Think in the bright side. It could attract people such as Germar Rudolf and Carlo Mottogno. They don’t do debate forums because with the rules here as they are any old dimwit, ignoramous, psychotic, anonymous nincompoop can destroy meaningful discussion and debate with almost complete impunity. So they wisely choose not to waste their time. Fritz Berg was an exception in being an extremely well informed revisionist who deigned to debate the trollish true-believers and those who were there know the juvenile levels of abuse and disrespect he was permitted to be targeted with.

The reason carving out special advantages for using real names wouldn't be ideal here is the same reason revisionists are disadvantaged in the "real world".

Agreed.

There is great personal risk for most revisionists in using their real names, whereas there is near-zero risk (and possibly some praise or incentives) for exterminationists.

Agreed.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Not a good idea for those who live in countries where Holocaust revisionism is "only" a social suicide by the way.

That is exacly what a thread like the one I'm proposing is designed to eliminate. And if a person who lives in a country that has freedom of speech isn't willing to sacrafice in order to maintain their free speech rights, then they don't care much about their freedom of speech rights. Anyone who lives in a country where they could end up in jail OBVIOUSLY wouldn't / couldn't use the suggested subforum. But the subforum would still benifit them because it's designed to develop irrefutable statements of fact that can stand up in court. (And I'm well aware of the fact than even irrefutable statememts of fact can lead to prison in some countries.)

Glad to see that there are still people who believe that free speech is a real thing. Refreshing naivety.

There is no such a thing as a "country that has freedom of speech." IMHO, freedom of speech is just gullible daydreaming, a feel-good democratic mirage.

Suggested name for the new section: the kamikaze subforum.