The problem with facile "gotcha" documents (prooftexts)

[Hektor]

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When Hitler referred to the "vernichtung" of Jewry in January 1939, was he, in your opinion, referring to a plan to murder them?

If so, why were they still discussing the Madagascar plan in 1940?

If "vernichtung" does NOT mean killing in that speech, what implications might this have?

It pretty obviously wasn't referring to 'killing'. More in the sense of destruction of their presence in Europe. And that was even conditional.

In military or political German vernichten had a different meaning than in post-war colloquial German.

[TlsMS93]

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When Hitler referred to the "vernichtung" of Jewry in January 1939, was he, in your opinion, referring to a plan to murder them?

If so, why were they still discussing the Madagascar plan in 1940?

If "vernichtung" does NOT mean killing in that speech, what implications might this have?

It pretty obviously wasn't referring to 'killing'. More in the sense of destruction of their presence in Europe. And that was even conditional.

In military or political German vernichten had a different meaning than in post-war colloquial German.

In a military sense, annihilation has to do with rendering something or someone powerless. Hitler spoke of annihilating France, but this in no way refers to the extermination of the French people or even the end of the French state, but rather to rendering it geopolitically powerless.

As for the Jews, he clearly saw them as an element of “bad fermentation”. They did not have the same ethos as the people they lived among and, as they had international connections, encouraged disunity, so only by removing them from Europe could peace be possible.

I do not see what the reason would be for killing them and what benefit this would have for them. If they did not want to reproduce, it would have been enough to sterilize them.

[Nessie]

... Hitler spoke of annihilating France, but this in no way refers to the extermination of the French people or even the end of the French state, but rather to rendering it geopolitically powerless.

The reason why you think that, and no one would disagree with you, is because of the evidence of millions of French people still alive in 1944, with no evidence of their mass murder. Unless they were Jewish and lived in occupied France, having fled from Germany as refugees, in which case, their population dropped dramatically and there is evidence they were killed.

[TlsMS93]

... Hitler spoke of annihilating France, but this in no way refers to the extermination of the French people or even the end of the French state, but rather to rendering it geopolitically powerless.

The reason why you think that, and no one would disagree with you, is because of the evidence of millions of French people still alive in 1944, with no evidence of their mass murder. Unless they were Jewish and lived in occupied France, having fled from Germany as refugees, in which case, their population dropped dramatically and there is evidence they were killed.

From his fiery speeches you have already seen that the Holocaust cannot be sustained. So this issue is settled.

Even in Goebbels' diaries, he only used genocidal expressions at the end of the war, almost as a form of repentance, so the entries from 1942-43 at the so-called height of the Holocaust, either he didn't even know what the Final Solution was about or it didn't happen as the Allies and Jewish organizations claimed.

[Nessie]

... Hitler spoke of annihilating France, but this in no way refers to the extermination of the French people or even the end of the French state, but rather to rendering it geopolitically powerless.

The reason why you think that, and no one would disagree with you, is because of the evidence of millions of French people still alive in 1944, with no evidence of their mass murder. Unless they were Jewish and lived in occupied France, having fled from Germany as refugees, in which case, their population dropped dramatically and there is evidence they were killed.

From his fiery speeches you have already seen that the Holocaust cannot be sustained. So this issue is settled.

Even in Goebbels' diaries, he only used genocidal expressions at the end of the war, almost as a form of repentance, so the entries from 1942-43 at the so-called height of the Holocaust, either he didn't even know what the Final Solution was about or it didn't happen as the Allies and Jewish organizations claimed.

Hitler and Goebbels used genocidal expressions. There is evidence to prove the expressions, when applied to the Jews, did refer to a genocide.