Hi-Res Photos of Krema II Introduction Holes

[HansHill]

A request to the board to aggregate together in one thread the highest quality, highest resolution colour photos of the introduction holes at Krema II. Preference for images that are:

High Res
Colour
Indicated / Notated visually

[Archie]

FYI there is a maximum size for attachments on the forum. This is to keep the forum database from sprawling in size.

For large images, I would recommend hosting them on an image hosting site of your choice. I like this one.
https://postimages.org/

[Stubble]

I don't think there are any color photos extant.

This one is on the higher side so far as resolution goes.



I'll look for some more. The ones from USHMM are also of fairly high resolution, but, they have recently changed how they are searchable and they are not as easy to pull up any more.

If you want the annotations, you want the CIA set released after Dr Butz wrote his book (I think). That is the photo set from Ball's book IIRC.

Here is another, this one is hosted by USHMM.



Notice no mysterious roof holes in this one from 13th September 1944



Also nothing 13th May 1944



Also, the title of this one has changed since I posted it here a while back.

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa28509

[Fred Ziffel]

I understand it has been pointed out before

Get a load of the ceiling hole sizes in Crem 2

Being CIA they could construct a better lie than this

[borjastick]

I see about 300+ accommodation blocks in a mass murder death camp. Yet the Auschwitz album shows people, new arrivals, waiting in the forested grove for instant execution. Add into that calculation the German method of both packing the gas chambers and being able to cremate two corpses in less than 15 minutes I smell the smelly armpits of the 800lb gorilla in the room.

Hmm something doesn't add up here.

Asking for a friend.

[HansHill]

Thanks for getting the thread off to a start gentlemen, however I should have clarified: I am not limiting this to the camp's operational lifespan - I am moreso interested in photos of the holes themselves up close, which were primarily all taken in the early 90s. This alone means that alot of the ones I have seen tend to be poor quality

See below example as sniped from from Rudolf "The Chemistry of Auschwitz"



It also doesn't help that I've had to crop them out of e-books further adding to compression etc!

[Wetzelrad]

CODOH hosts a copy of "The Ruins of the Gas Chambers: A Forensic Investigation of Crematoriums at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau".
https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... -forensic/

However even after extracting the image files directly from that PDF, they seem to be of a lower resolution and quality than those on the Holocaust History Project website. So the below images are direct linked from there.
https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... les1.shtml


"Figure 1a. Aerial photograph of the gas chamber in Crematorium II (courtesy of Wojciech Gorgolewski)."


"Figure 8b. Area of Zyklon Hole 1, Crematorium II. Tarpaper separating concrete layer below and sand-cement layer above is visible. South to north view."


"Figure 9. Hole cut for unknown purpose in Crematorium II roof, likely after liberation in January 1945."


"Figure 11a. First (southernmost) Zyklon hole, overview. Taken from east looking west. Observe square form, with no rebar present; although damaged in explosion, hole clearly visible."


"Figure 11b. First (southernmost) Zyklon hole, detail. Taken from below, showing residue of dripping tar. Surviving crawl space approx. three feet here."


"Figure 12. Second (from south) Zyklon hole, east to west view. Chunk of concrete torn away by explosion lies atop northern edge; western edge completely shattered. Outline of hole superimposed."


"Figure 13. Straight edge and inward-bent rebar on southern side of second Zyklon hole. Such bending could not result from the explosion, which lifted the roof upwards."


"Figure 14. Inwardly bent rebar at north and east edges of second Zyklon hole, partially destroyed in explosion."


"Figure 15. West-east view of hypothesized location of third Zyklon hole."


"Figure 16. Remains of fourth (seen from south) Zyklon hole. Rebar skirts two sides, ends at other two sides bent inward and looped back. Note rotated roof slab showing formwork on inner side."


"Figure 18b. Rebar stretched to a point at Zyklon hole 1, Crematorium II."

[Wetzelrad]

I'm confused as to what the orthodoxy even believes on this point. The above linked report by McCarthy et al was in part a response to the Van Pelt Report. There, Van Pelt had already written:

Today, these four small holes that connected the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys cannot be observed in the ruined remains of the concrete slab. Yet does this mean they were never there? We know that after the cessation of the gassings in the Fall of 1944 all the gassing equipment was removed, which implies both the wire-mesh columns and the chimneys. What would have remained would have been the four narrow holes in the slab. While there is not certainty in this particular matter, it would have been logical to attach at the location where the columns had been some formwork at the bottom of the gas chamber ceiling, and pour some concrete in the holes, and thus restore the slab.

So Van Pelt's view was that the holes are invisible and perhaps covered up by cement, totally contrary to McCarthy. Justice Gray agreed with this and reiterated it in his judgement:

In response to Irving's claim van Pelt maintained, firstly, that the roof is in such a mess and most of it is so inaccessible that it is impossible to verify whether or not the holes existed. In any case he claimed that it is likely that, when the gas chambers were dismantled in 1944, the chimneys would have been removed and the holes cemented over so as to remove incriminating evidence.

So which is it? Did McCarthy find the holes or were they cemented over?

[Booze]

Thanks to everyone that posted these images.
Do we have equivalent images of the holes in the roof of Krema 3?

Also, how many aerial photos of Birkenau have been released that correspond to the alleged gassing of the Hungarian Jews (May 15 to July 9th 1944)?

[HansHill]

This is excellent Wetzelrad, thanks for posting. This is exactly what I was looking to add to my archives.

[Stubble]

Hopefully this doesn't deviate from the purpose of the thread. I'm going to add the Zundel video with Ball here for posterity. If you have seen it already, it is the same video you've seen. If you haven't, it will be worth your time.

[Fred Ziffel]

You know, I think I can see the rebar in my last posting attachment here

[Booze]

Hopefully this doesn't deviate from the purpose of the thread. I'm going to add the Zundel video with Ball here for posterity. If you have seen it already, it is the same video you've seen. If you haven't, it will be worth your time.

Thank you for posting this video. There is inescapable evidence presented of the aerial photos having been altered.
It's unfortunate that the video and sound quality is so poor.
I hope in the future to see someone make an updated video covering this same evidence.

Does anyone recall a video in which John Ball mentions the government's refusal to release some of the original reels for examination?

[Fred Ziffel]

Bit Chute may have something

[Cowboy]

Hopefully this doesn't deviate from the purpose of the thread. I'm going to add the Zundel video with Ball here for posterity. If you have seen it already, it is the same video you've seen. If you haven't, it will be worth your time.

This is an outstanding video. Recently, I watched one where John Ball did a sit-down interview with Zundel, and while that was very informative, this video was much more in depth. At around the 42-minute mark, he discusses allied intelligence activities that have to do with the Auschwitz complex, especially Monowitz. Is there any material that discusses the extent to which allied intelligence was monitoring the claimed extermination camps and thoroughly investigating claims of mass extermination? I don't want to get off topic in this thread, but I think this could be a subject worth investigating in a separate post.

Get a load of the ceiling hole sizes in Crem 2

This is the first thing that drew my attention when I initially looked at these pictures. Comparing them to the close-up pictures of the holes of the Cremas posted by Wetzelrad, they are way too big to even be argued that they are the same. If there was a way to scale the holes on the picture to compare to the size of a human, then I believe that it would only make them look more ridiculous. The other glaring issue in the August 25th photo that I noticed is the layout of the holes in the roof of the two Cremas. In Crema II, the photo shows that they are in somewhat of a straight line. Crema III, however, shows that they are in a somewhat distinct diagonal pattern (I believe that this is how they are described in orthodoxy). We know that these facilities were made to be mirror images of each other based on design documentation. Did the Germans one day decide to go with two different hole patterns for each "gas chamber" instead of making them identical? This wouldn't seem to make any sense if they are supposed to be identical. The alignment differences between the two Cremas could be attributed to the shot angle, shadows, or other minute factors, but this would be a massive stretch. The much more reasonable and plausible explanation is that the people who drew the holes on the roof made a mistake.

Another small detail that bugs me about the photo is the "group on way to gas chamber" label. Whether or not these people were drawn on, there is no way to determine from this photo which direction they were walking, and more importantly the intention behind their movement. The more appropriate label would have been something along the lines of "prisoners located on the unloading platform", or even just "prisoners" like others are labeled.