Bergen Belsen, Murder mill!

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Because the Nazis packed it full of prisoners and then failed to feed the Jewish ones.

I see, so, the testimonies from the shoah foundation attesting to conditions in the camp being 'pretty good' and the correlation of the death rate at the camp and allied tonnage dropped are to be ignored, and the lack of ability to reliably supply the camp is to be ignored, and the delivery of supplies by the red cross to the camp is to be ignored.

Got it.

I have never seen any evidence of an Allied bomb specifically hitting a rial line, or road, that prevented an actual supply delivery to the camp. All I have ever seen is revisionist speculation.

This derailment of another thread has prompted me to start this thread in which I will begin to collate video testimony, written record and statistical evidence with regard to the supposed and so called 'Murder Mill' at Bergen Belsan.

For starters, here I present an article from the CODOH website with links to source material. As I can I will expand this thread with other material I have gleaned over time.

https://codoh.com/library/document/berg ... sed-story/

[Nessie]

I see, so, the testimonies from the shoah foundation attesting to conditions in the camp being 'pretty good' and the correlation of the death rate at the camp and allied tonnage dropped are to be ignored, and the lack of ability to reliably supply the camp is to be ignored, and the delivery of supplies by the red cross to the camp is to be ignored.

Got it.

I have never seen any evidence of an Allied bomb specifically hitting a rial line, or road, that prevented an actual supply delivery to the camp. All I have ever seen is revisionist speculation.

This derailment of another thread has prompted me to start this thread in which I will begin to collate video testimony, written record and statistical evidence with regard to the supposed and so called 'Murder Mill' at Bergen Belsan.

For starters, here I present an article from the CODOH website with links to source material. As I can I will expand this thread with other material I have gleaned over time.

https://codoh.com/library/document/berg ... sed-story/

From the link, "The advancing British agreed to refrain from bombing or shelling the area of the camp". What the British found at B-B was the responsibility of the Nazis.

[Stubble]

What saints the allies were for not bombing the air raid shelter of the recovery camp intentionally killing the internees.

If only they would not have strafed prisoner transports to the camps...

Are you, familiar, with the Dachau 'Death Train' for example?

Are you also implying that German transport infrastructure was not attacked (roads, rails)?

Don't worry, I'm getting together nose cam footage, death rates, allied bombing tonnage by month and various other minutia in this regard, so, make all the assertions you like, they will rebutted as I find time.



Another example of 'Targets of Opportunity', you know, farmers on horse and buggy...Roads had to be super safe for transporting supplies and goods to the concentration camps, right Nessie? There's only speculation about roads and rails being attacked. It's not something you can just look up and watch, as it happened and was recorded by nose cams....







And lest we forget, if you could sing, you wouldn't be gassed in the completely real and fully operational 'homicidal gas chambers' at Bergen Belsen.

[Nessie]

I mostly get "Failed to fetch video details." in your post. You need to prove a causal link, where you evidence specific ordered supplies for B-B failed to get there because of a specific bomb drop by the Allies. So, you need the date of the supply, what the supply was and where the bomb landed so that the supply did not get to B-B. Supplies being delayed or rerouted, do not count, as they still got to the camp. A general shortage of food in the area of the camp needs to be directly linked to the bombing, rather than it was caused by the ongoing ground fighting and general shortages during the war.

You then need to explain why it was primarily the Jewish prisoners who starved, rather than others and why the staff failed to control the spread of typhus. You cannot blame that on the RAF, who agreed to stop bombing in the area of the camp, once they were informed of conditions there.

[Stubble]

There you have it folks, the evil nazis murdered all the jews in Belsen, because it was a murder mill.

I'll go dig up the red cross memos and stuff like that here in a bit. In the meantime, just admire that post from Nessie in all of its glory.

[Nessie]

There you have it folks, the evil nazis murdered all the jews in Belsen, because it was a murder mill.

I'll go dig up the red cross memos and stuff like that here in a bit. In the meantime, just admire that post from Nessie in all of its glory.

You are just pissed off, because I have pointed out what you need to do to prove a causal link between aerial bombing and deaths from typhus and starvation. You know you cannot prove the link.

[Stubble]

The memos from the red cross talking about deteriorating conditions and asking for a let up in bombing so that supplies can enter do a pretty good job of that. As do interviews your government has decided you can't watch. Of course, your government also doesn't think you should be allowed to see allied strafing runs on trains and farmers either.

It's really no wonder you believe as you do, you aren't allowed to think any differently. You can't even look at evidence because your government says so.

Am I pissed? Yes, I'm pissed at your government Nessie, I can't even effectively communicate with you because you aren't even allowed to see the truth.

[Nessie]

The memos from the red cross talking about deteriorating conditions and asking for a let up in bombing so that supplies can enter do a pretty good job of that. As do interviews your government has decided you can't watch. Of course, your government also doesn't think you should be allowed to see allied strafing runs on trains and farmers either.

It's really no wonder you believe as you do, you aren't allowed to think any differently. You can't even look at evidence because your government says so.

Am I pissed? Yes, I'm pissed at your government Nessie, I can't even effectively communicate with you because you aren't even allowed to see the truth.

It is more likely to be caused by Firefox, than the UK government. Some documentary evidence;

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/edu ... /source-1/

"There was no segregation of typhus, of which there were 300 cases."

That is not caused by Allied bombing.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/edu ... /source-2/

"SS Guards were found to be shooting prisoners who in their hungry condition were endeavouring to remove potatoes from a pile near the cookhouse."

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/edu ... /source-4/

"I was working in the vegetable store when I saw a Hungarian girl, whose name I do not know, come out of the bread store nearby carrying a loaf of bread. At this moment EGERSDORF appeared in the street and at a distance of about 6 meters from the girl shouted ‘What are you doing here?’. The girl replied ‘I am hungry’ and then started to run away. EGERSDORF immediately pulled out his pistol and shot the girl."

There was food, but the SS would not let certain prisoners have it.

[Stubble]

Since apparently you don't know how to use an internet browser to watch a video (no, these videos are blocked in the uk), here are some articles with links you may be able to figure out how to view.

https://codoh.com/library/document/trut ... rror-camp/

https://codoh.com/library/document/jews ... en-belsen/

https://codoh.com/library/document/holo ... he-bergen/

https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... en-belsen/

If you want to watch nose cam footage of p47 thunderbolts, p51 Mustangs, p38 lightnings etc strafing German trains, infrastructure and civilians, it is there in spades.

I'll put aside some time later to get more links, showing the death rates and the allied tonnage dropped etc. In the mean time, I'm sure you will post some more literal propaganda.