Why Do you Guys Think the Holocaust is Fake?

[borjastick]

The problem so-called revisionists have, is that there is no evidence to prove what did happen inside the Kremas, that was not gassings. By proving what did happen, the negative has been proven. Those revisionists do try to revise the history of the Kremas, to they were used as delousing chambers, showers, corpse stores or bomb shelters. But, they cannot find sufficient evidence to prove their claims, which is why they cannot reach any agreement and they contradict each other.

Fish Fryer

There is plenty of evidence dear and you've been presented with it many many times but you can't deal with it so, like a stuck record, you just repeat the same old shit hoping we'll go away or your personal brilliance will attract newbies to your cause. It won't.

Now get back in the kitchen.

[Nessie]

The problem so-called revisionists have, is that there is no evidence to prove what did happen inside the Kremas, that was not gassings. By proving what did happen, the negative has been proven. Those revisionists do try to revise the history of the Kremas, to they were used as delousing chambers, showers, corpse stores or bomb shelters. But, they cannot find sufficient evidence to prove their claims, which is why they cannot reach any agreement and they contradict each other.

Fish Fryer

There is plenty of evidence dear and you've been presented with it many many times but you can't deal with it so, like a stuck record, you just repeat the same old shit hoping we'll go away or your personal brilliance will attract newbies to your cause. It won't.

Now get back in the kitchen.

Plenty of evidence of what? Delousing chambers, showers, normal crematorium use, corpse stores or bomb shelters? Or something else? That so-called revisionists cannot agree, proves how scant the evidence is, for each competing, contradictory claim. You cannot even find a single eyewitness who worked in a Krema, who speaks to any of the suggested, alternative functions.

[Stubble]

If mass gassings occured at Auschwitz Birkenau in Kremas II and III specifically (also IV and V), then there should be physical evidence of that.

That there isn't is a glaring problem with the orthodox thesis.

If you are going to say they were cremated in the crematoria (which would make sense), then you need to come up with supply of fuel and records of refractory replacement.

If you are going to say they were burned in outdoor open air cremations, you are going to have to evidence where the pyres were and where the remains are.

If you are going to say they were directly buried, you are going to have to show where.

No trace of hydrogen cyanide gas in the walls of the LK's referred to as 1 above background levels is not a strong point for your case. A lack of any remains is not a strong point for your case. A lack of evidence of mass outdoor open air cremations is not a strong point for your case.

You can't hand wave all of that away because some revisionists disagree on one specific point or another. That doesn't make your case.

If you are going to claim mass executions, you are going to have to show mass human remains.

[Keen]

With AI, you can figure these kinds of things out in a matter of minutes.

Let me remind you what Chat gpt answered to this question:

"How many mass graves have been proven to exist at Treblinka II that contain the remains of more than 5 people?"

... the existence of numerous mass graves at Treblinka II is well-documented and proven... each of these mass graves contains hundreds to thousands of individuals.

Oh, and here is a reminder of what CJ said:

there is still significant physical evidence that has been recovered and studied extensively by historians, forensic experts, and archaeologists

So if mass graves have been "proven" like AI says, and what CJ says about his confidence in AI and the extant physical evidence that has been recovered and studied extensively by historians, forensic experts, and archaeologists actually does exist, then CJ shouln't have any reason for his continued dodging.

But continue to dodge he does.

CJ, is there still significant physical evidence at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II that has been recovered and studied by forensic experts and archaeologists that proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a mass grave exists at one or more of those sites that contains the remains of more than 5 people - Yes. - or - No. - ??

[Keen]

There is a ton of archaeological evidence to prove huge areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains at the AR camps and Chelmno.

The areas found are larger than any other mass deaths in history. No mass grave site, from battles to plagues, are on the scale of what was found at those camp sites.

The corpses that were not exhumed, had congealed together into one mass, leaving no space.

Nessie, concerning the alleged "tons of archaeological evidence" at these areas alleged to be "larger than any other in history;" is there still significant physical evidence at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II that has been recovered and studied by forensic experts and archaeologists that proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a mass grave exists at one or more of those sites that contains the remains of more than 5 people - Yes. - or - No. - ??

[Keen]

in this case, the burden of proof is on you guys.

No it's not CJ, it's on you:

CJ:

there is still significant physical evidence that has been recovered and studied extensively by historians, forensic experts, and archaeologists

[Keen]

There is a ton of archaeological evidence to prove huge...

Let's be clear here:

When you say "a ton of archaeological evidence" do you mean a ton of physical evidence?

A simple yes or no would suffice Nessie.

(Place your bets on whether or not Nessie is going to dodge this simple clarifying question. I bet he lacks the courage, integrity and character to answer.)

[Keen]

So-called revisionists, with their ignorance about investigations, think that it is not possible to prove a negative, when in fact it is quite simple to do so.

Nessie, regarding the sophistic exterminationsist allegation that one cannot prove that no mass graves exist at at B, C, P, S & T II; do you deny that the ipso facto / convergence of the lack of physical evidence / self evident proof method proves that no "huge mass graves" exist at those sites?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

[ConfusedJew]

Let's be clear here:

When you say "a ton of archaeological evidence" do you mean a ton of physical evidence?

A simple yes or no would suffice Nessie.

(Place your bets on whether or not Nessie is going to dodge this simple clarifying question. I bet he lacks the courage, integrity and character to answer.)

Is this a rhetorical question? Of course archaeological evidence is one type of physical evidence.

[Keen]

Let's be clear here:

When you say "a ton of archaeological evidence" do you mean a ton of physical evidence?

A simple yes or no would suffice Nessie.

(Place your bets on whether or not Nessie is going to dodge this simple clarifying question. I bet he lacks the courage, integrity and character to answer.)

Is this a rhetorical question? Of course archaeological evidence is one type of physical evidence.

First off, the question wasn't directed at you.

Second, I didn't ask if archaeological evidence is one type of physical evidence.

Your lack of intelligence is really evident here.

[InuYasha]

I don't get it. How can you guys actually think this? Are you just trolling or are you serious? Are you playing word games about what the Holocaust means? How many Jewish people do you guys know? Have you had a bad experience with a Jewish person in real life or something? What's going on guys?

I have come to doubt the Holocaust after reading the works of revisionist historians and as I have noticed more and more oddities in these stories. The very concept of the "Holocaust" or "Shoah" seemed to have changed: from steam chambers, electric conveyor belts where people were electrocuted, and trains with quicklime - to gas chambers and gas vans. Similar "miracles" occurred with the supposed extermination site: in the 1950s it was the territory of the Reich, including Dachau. Since 1960, the site of the Holocaust has been "teleported" to Poland (General Government). In the 1990s, the tales of human soap were eliminated from the narrative, and the number of victims of Auschwitz was reduced from 4 million to 1.5 million. Remarkably, the total number has remained 6 million, and it is illegal to doubt it. According to the logic of the exterminationists and the Holocaust lobby, 6 - 2.5 = 6. Very Orwellian math, if you think about it.

No problem with Jews. I'm not anti-Semitic or far-right, if that's what you're implying. But all the weird stuff we're told about the Shoah is bound to raise doubts, unless you close your eyes and blindly believe the narrative.

I assume that you have a genuine interest in revisionism and the revisionist position. I found this forum under the impression of reading the books of Jurgen Graf, partly also under the influence of Faurisson, Tison and Arthur Butz.

[InuYasha]

The dramatic events in Treblinka can be reconstructed almost entirely thanks to the "worthy" research of Donath, Rückerl, Lanzmann, Grossmann and Steiner, as well as information obtained on the Düsseldorf and Jerusalem courts.

While building the largest camp in the industrial zone, the Nazis were building another one in a gloomy wasteland - the second largest (Grossmann). The trains to Treblinka, carrying those doomed to death, were no secret to the population, although they did not really believe everything. Up to 10 thousand (Auerbach), and even 20 thousand people (Grossmann) were sent to the gas chambers daily. The work of the executioners was carried out by 35-40 SS men, who were assisted by Ukrainians and 500-1,000 Jewish workers. Although the latter certainly knew that sooner or later they themselves would end up in the gas chamber, it never occurred to them to attack 35-40 SS men with their whips; they helped them in the mass murder of their fellow believers, who marched naked in formation to the gas chambers (Sukhomel), or rather did not march, but ran along the "gut". The SS men beat them on the head and stomach (Auerbach), and Demyanuk cut off their ears (trial in Jerusalem). On both sides of the "Ascension Alley" or "road to heaven" stood SS dogs under the command of the St. Bernard Barry and bit off pieces of flesh from the bodies of those running (Goldfarb); Barry bit the genitals, reflecting the subconscious of the owner and anticipating his desires (Prof. L. from the Planck Institute). Additional troubles for the unfortunate were caused by such humanoid creatures as Zepf, who from time to time snatched a child from the crowd and tore it apart over himself (Grossman). All this was accompanied by the sounds of a Jewish orchestra (Auerbach). Then the Jews were pushed into the gas chamber. The men waited outside, and the women and children went first, and the children were not thrown into the fire alive, because their fragile vessels did not succumb to gas and bullets (Auerbach).
Seeing all this, the Jewish women driven into the gas chamber, one would think, should have developed doubts, especially since Demyanuk had just cut off their breasts with his sword? Not at all: they behaved stupidly submissively and asked Bomba, who was on duty in the chamber, what would happen to them. Bomba could not tell the truth, otherwise he would have gone into the chamber himself. For this reason, he cut their hair in the usual manner, and not bald - the deception had to last as long as possible.

According to Bomba, the gas chamber measuring 4 by 4 meters contained 17 hairdressers, benches and 70 naked women. It was quite cramped, especially since there were 11,913 more people waiting in a building that could hold up to 12,000 (E. Rosenberg). At the command: "Ivan, water!" Demyanuk turned on the engine of the Russian tank. In 30-40 minutes, everyone was dead (Rückerl). Then the corpses were burned, i.e. they were buried at first, but then they were dug up by Fioss, who believed that the old corpses of fat women burned especially well (Steiner).

During the burning, the stomachs of pregnant women burst, so you could see the embryos burning in the mother's womb (Wernik). At this time, the Germans clinked glasses of exquisite drinks and sang disgusting songs about eternal Germany (Steiner). The Jewish workers felt less well, being angry with Demianuk for nailing their ears to the wall (Wernik). Remembering this injustice, they consoled themselves by enjoying fried chicken, buns, cheese, butter and sour cream – these delicacies the Jews could get without difficulty, because they had no end of money (Krzeszczki).

As you can see, this is a very reliable and scientifically proven story.

[Nessie]

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I have come to doubt the Holocaust after reading the works of revisionist historians...

They are not really historians, or even revisionists, they are deniers. That is because of their failure to produce an evidenced, chronological history of what did happen. Instead, they deny mass murders, so suggesting mass survival, but they cannot evidence the whereabouts of the millions of Jews they say were not murdered, in 1944-5.

and as I have noticed more and more oddities in these stories.

That is how denial works. It finds what can be described as odd and then alleges that means, therefore, it did not happen. That method is best described as the logical fallacy of argument from incredulity.

The very concept of the "Holocaust" or "Shoah" seemed to have changed: from steam chambers, electric conveyor belts where people were electrocuted, and trains with quicklime - to gas chambers and gas vans.

That change happened, because the earliest reports were hearsay and rumour, about activity inside the death camps. They were inaccurate, which is the nature of hearsay and rumour. As eyewitnesses came forward and other evidenced gathered, the actual means of death was established.

Similar "miracles" occurred with the supposed extermination site: in the 1950s it was the territory of the Reich, including Dachau. Since 1960, the site of the Holocaust has been "teleported" to Poland (General Government).

No, the major death camps were in Poland, or the General Government, because Poland had the largest population of Jews. Ukraine and Serbia also had death camps. There were also gas chambers in camps and hospitals in Germany and Austria, used to euthanise inform prisoners and the disabled.

In the 1990s, the tales of human soap were eliminated from the narrative,...

Because research found them to be an exaggeration, atrocity story. It is correct to eliminate such.

... and the number of victims of Auschwitz was reduced from 4 million to 1.5 million. Remarkably, the total number has remained 6 million, and it is illegal to doubt it. According to the logic of the exterminationists and the Holocaust lobby, 6 - 2.5 = 6. Very Orwellian math, if you think about it.

The Auschwitz total was an exaggerated Soviet one, that the Poles used until the collapse of the Soviet Union. Then they switched to using the more accurate western death toll.

No problem with Jews. I'm not anti-Semitic or far-right, if that's what you're implying. But all the weird stuff we're told about the Shoah is bound to raise doubts, unless you close your eyes and blindly believe the narrative.

I assume that you have a genuine interest in revisionism and the revisionist position. I found this forum under the impression of reading the books of Jurgen Graf, partly also under the influence of Faurisson, Tison and Arthur Butz.

The "weird stuff" is revisionism concentrating on atrocity stories and rumours, rather than finding the accurate narrative and doing the basic task of any historian. That you believe the Auschwitz death toll revisionist maths, without doing any research to find out how the figures were achieved, tells me that you are blindly believing the revisionist narrative. You should apply your doubts to revisionism. It cannot be trusted, since many are anti-Semitic, far-right, conspiracy theorists pushing an agenda. They also commonly lack relevant training and expertise on the topics they discuss.

[Wetzelrad]

ConfusedJew, do you find Nessie's above post convincing? When he says that the soap and electric floors and steam chambers were mere rumors and stories, does that persuade you that the gas chambers were otherwise? When he says the original death tolls were exaggerated, does that move you closer or further from believing that the revised death tolls are unexaggerated? I would love to hear your thoughts on his arguments, if you haven't already.

[ConfusedJew]

First off, the question wasn't directed at you.

Second, I didn't ask if archaeological evidence is one type of physical evidence.

Your lack of intelligence is really evident here.

There's no need for insults here. You asked a self evident gotcha question. None of that was necessary.