A "Holocaust of Hate": the NSDAP on Race

[Callafangers]

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Kanye (Ye) West is, per Wikipedia:

One of the world's best-selling music artists with 160 million records sold, West has won 24 Grammy Awards, making him the 12th-most awarded of all time.

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West has been one of the wealthiest musical artists; his net worth was as high as $1.8 billion in 2021. In October 2022, Forbes estimated his net worth to have dropped to $400 million in large part due to Adidas's termination of their partnership following a series of public antisemitic statements.

Here is the brand-new video for his song which is just recently released:


[Edited: New video link, old one got censored]

And yes, you're hearing it correctly. The song is titled "Heil Hitler" and the video (and the racially distinct black men featured in it) reminded me of a quote which I found interesting:

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This might be shocking to many people but Hitler would have probably very much appreciated the Kanye West video above. African men being distinctly their own, displaying strength, structure, etc. -- all values which aligned with National Socialism.

With regard to claims of general or anti-black 'racism', critics of National Socialism will point almost exclusively to sterilization of the so-called "Rhineland Bastards" -- the children who resulted from the French-imposed occupation by African soldiers in the Rhineland territory after World War One, where the African soldiers were openly permitted by the French administration to terrorize the population, including rape of German women, resulting in mixed-race children; some relationships, of course, may have been consensual. Given the nature of this imposition and total impunity of African soldiers upon the German population by the French was clearly an attempt to humiliate, demoralize, etc., Germany and its citizens (like the many other postwar humiliations, e.g. the Versailles treaty), conversations surrounding the sterilization of these mixed offspring had been taking place since the Weimar era (i.e. pre-Hitler). Notably: the institute which was responsible for the sterilizations conducted them before its director had even joined the NSDAP and these sterilizations were not even technically legal per German law at the time.

More information:

"Black people / Africans in the "Holocaust" / Rhineland Bastards"
https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... =2&t=12342

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The question is: is it true that Hitler decided to 'gas the Jews' simply because he hated all races and wanted them all wiped off the planet? This is what I was told is the case, as a child, in the USA education system.

Color me shocked: it wasn't true.

[Callafangers]

...and if there were any doubt of Ye's new song having relevance to the 'Holocaust', look at what Jewish 'influencer' Adin Ross tells Ye he needs to do, to fix his 'antisemitism':



He needs to "go to Auschwitz".

[bombsaway]

And how does this figure into something like this

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... 00#p570101

The notion that Hitler's government was primarily motivated by "hatred" is not supported in the record.

What you see instead is he didn't really care about other races, and insofar as their existence interfered with the perceived well being of the German people, grievous harm could be inflicted upon them.

AI analysis

https://g.co/gemini/share/1aab1d523f51

Hitler's endorsed views, as detailed by Himmler for the "Alien Races in the East," were not about appreciating or preserving other races as distinct, strong entities in their own right. Instead, they were about:

1 Establishing German racial supremacy.
2 Atomizing and weakening other ethnic groups to prevent any collective resistance.
3 Identifying and forcibly assimilating individuals deemed "racially valuable" into the German nation, thereby stripping them of their original identity.
4 Reducing the remaining "inferior" populations to a state of minimal education, leaderless servitude, and cultural barrenness, to be used as a labor force for the Reich.

This of course, predates plans for the vast transfer of the Slavic population from Europe into Asia, a program of ethnic cleansing unparalleled in human history.

[Callafangers]

And how does this figure into something like this

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... 00#p570101

The notion that Hitler's government was primarily motivated by "hatred" is not supported in the record.

What you see instead is he didn't really care about other races, and insofar as their existence interfered with the perceived well being of the German people, grievous harm could be inflicted upon them.

Only the perceived well-being, bombsaway? What about for the actual well-being? And did Germany inflict 'grievous harm' on the Jews in 1933, right as Hitler came to power? If not, why not?

Whether or not Hitler being motivated by "hatred" is "supported in the record" according to you (or whatever AI you are using), nearly every single person who attended public school will tell you otherwise.

AI analysis

https://g.co/gemini/share/1aab1d523f51

Hitler's endorsed views, as detailed by Himmler for the "Alien Races in the East," were not about appreciating or preserving other races as distinct, strong entities in their own right. Instead, they were about:

1 Establishing German racial supremacy.
2 Atomizing and weakening other ethnic groups to prevent any collective resistance.
3 Identifying and forcibly assimilating individuals deemed "racially valuable" into the German nation, thereby stripping them of their original identity.
4 Reducing the remaining "inferior" populations to a state of minimal education, leaderless servitude, and cultural barrenness, to be used as a labor force for the Reich.

This of course, predates plans for the vast transfer of the Slavic population from Europe into Asia, a program of ethnic cleansing unparalleled in human history.

Your examples of the most extreme policies (or proposed policies) you can find, which were recommended only after Jews started another World War, are excellent at highlighting how human and animal behavior becomes more desperate or extreme once that human/animal (or their respective groups) are truly fighting for their lives and existence (i.e. Germany as the war developed), rather than simply trying to thrive (Germany pre-war).

Germans knew they were fighting a racial war; that their entire existence was threatened in what they were at that time facing. Their attention was to which circumstances led to their problems in national security, and this included subversion from enemies within as well as within surrounding nations who, once effectively overrun, could also become a threat to Germany. Thus to neutralize the threat of [what were seen as] a people not capable of upholding a resistant, independent nation of its own, 'splintering' these nations and keeping them in service to the Reich seemed like the only viable option, with violence/killing being left explicitly off the table by Himmler. Thus, any desperate or extreme policies would necessarily reflect that mindset. What you have referenced, in any case, and assuming authenticity, is only a policy proposal -- nothing which we can confirm would have been acted upon, especially if/when a German victory had been achieved (Germans thus being less desperate than in wartime).

[bombsaway]

I'm sure you can argue a racial war of Jews against Germans, but what about Slavs against Germans?

What did the Slavs do, to deserve this? I understand that dismembering and colonizing a country could be in the interests of the German people, but what was the threat exactly? Why weren't similar directives made about occupied France?

The post was about Hitler's views, not concrete policy implementations.

Well Himmler is rather explicit here about Hitler's views.

On Saturday, 25 May 1940, I handed my memorandum on the treatment of peoples of alien race in the East to the Fuehrer.[document No-1880, Prosecution Exhibit 1314, reproduced immediately above.] The Fuehrer read the six pages and considered them very good and correct. He directed, however, that only very few copies should be issued; that there should be no large edition, and that the report is to be treated with utmost secrecy. Minister Lammers was likewise present. The Fuehrer wanted me to ask Governor General Frank to come to Berlin in order to show him this report and to tell him that the Fuehrer considered it to be correct.

I suggested to the Fuehrer that Minister Lammers, who had received one copy from me, be ordered to present this report to the four Gauleiters of the eastern Gaue: Koch, Forster, Greiser, he Oberpraesident of Silesia, the Governor General Frank, as well as to Reich Minister Darre, and to inform them that the Fuehrer acknowledged and sanctioned this report as a directive.

[Callafangers]

I'm sure you can argue a racial war of Jews against Germans, but what about Slavs against Germans?

What did the Slavs do, to deserve this? I understand that dismembering and colonizing a country could be in the interests of the German people, but what was the threat exactly? Why weren't similar directives made about occupied France?

The post was about Hitler's views, not concrete policy implementations.

Well Himmler is rather explicit here about Hitler's views.

It wasn't about what the Slavs (or anyone) "deserved". It was a matter of security, with the threat of Bolshevism -- especially in Europe -- being a foremost concern. I explained this in my last post. Here again:

Germans knew they were fighting a racial war; that their entire existence was threatened in what they were at that time facing. Their attention was to which circumstances led to their problems in national security, and this included subversion from enemies within as well as within surrounding nations who, once effectively overrun, could also become a threat to Germany. Thus to neutralize the threat of [what were seen as] a people not capable of upholding a resistant, independent nation of its own, 'splintering' these nations and keeping them in service to the Reich seemed like the only viable option, with violence/killing being left explicitly off the table by Himmler. Thus, any desperate or extreme policies would necessarily reflect that mindset.

Hitler had a respect for the French and most other European nations but he did not see the same rich history of racial or ethnic fortitude/resistance (which he deemed necessary to build great nations and, hence, resist Bolshevism) among the Slavs. Thus, in his view, their independence was likely too much a liability, given their proximity to Germany and especially in the heat of two back-to-back wars with Germany on the chopping block.

[Stubble]

Anybody ever ask Jesse Owens how Hitler viewed Blacks?

There is a Degrelle interview that I put on the board kicking around in the 3rd Reich sub forum.

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=261

Hitler and the National Socialists wanted for each people a nation, distinct and diverse.

What judeo bolshevism seeks is a homogeneity, what Hitler and his administration desired was a true diversity, for the different nations and their sovereignty to be respected.

Your link got censored again, here's another, maybe it will stay up for a day.



Folks seem to not like a Black guy saying 'Nigger Heil Hitler'.

[HansHill]

Similar issues being discussed in this thread (latter pages)

viewtopic.php?p=8705#p8705

[Wetzelrad]

Though it's somewhat afield from this topic, I must point out that this commonly-cited passage, though it is quite agreeable, is not actually a direct quote. It comes from a Martin Bormann collection of documents of things Hitler is supposed to have said near the end of the war. Here it is in Hitlers Politisches Testament. As with other Bormann works like Hitler's Table Talk, it comes not from live dictation but from what was written down after the fact, sometimes with provable modifications, and Hitler does not appear to have signed off on it.

Ironically, I think Table Talk also contains some of Hitler's spiciest quotes on race. So in some sense Bormann is responsible for the popular conceptions of both Wholesome Chungus Hitler and Virulent Racist Hitler.

As to the topic of this thread, I can only agree.