Is the demonization of Hitler as we see even warranted at all?

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HansHill wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 1:13 pm
ConfusedJew wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 1:07 pm Is it ever OK to demonize anybody?

Hitler was very close friends with Ernst Rohm until his desire to merge the SA paramilitary with the Germany military under his leadership threatened the Nazi military elites.

During the Night of the Long Knives, Hitler ordered a purge of the SA and had his friend arrested and killed without trial.

Is having your close friend killed in order to gain power worth demonizing?
Fascinating question, I'm actually very interested in this topic, because NOTLK exposes the early NSDAP government to uncomfortable truths about power dynamics. I have prepared some material for this before, you can view my thoughts on NOTLK in this thread. I specifically zoned into the credibility of the Rohm Putsch here, and concluded that it was credible.

You can read my thoughts here:

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=141
I did not say Adolf Hitler was trying to kill everyone on the planet. I am just pointing out in his National Socialist Worldview, subjugating or killing people considered inferior is not off the table.

There is a difference between a religious and a racial anti-semitism, which is not hard to see. Being able to switch religions to escape persecution is not nearly as bad as being pinned just because of your parents ethnic group.

The text of the image "Denn diese sind nur ein Wurf nach dem Menschen hin" translates to "Because these are only a throw towards man" (using google translate). So, Black and Asian people are only a throw towards man who supposedly do not hit the mark.

Their Japanese Allies should not have been surprised with an image demeaning an Asian man as not fully a man, considering Hitler's steadfast belief in Aryan/White Supremacy.

"If, from today onwards, the Aryan influence on Japan ceased—if Europe and America collapsed—then Japan’s present progress in science and technology might still last for a short while. But within a few decades, the inspiration would dry up, native Japanese character would flourish, and present civilization would become fossilized and fall back into the sleep from which it was aroused seven decades ago by Aryan culture. Therefore, just as present Japanese development is due to Aryan influence, so in the distant past, foreign influence and spirit awakened Japanese culture of that day."
Page 295 of Mein Kampf, Dalton Translation Volume 1.
https://archive.org/details/mein-kampf- ... 4/mode/2up


"This is already clear from a glance at the current world situation: We have a number of nations that, based on their innate, superior values, havércreated a way of life that bears no relation to the living space they inhabit in dense settlements. We have the so-called white race, which, since the collapse of antiquity, has secured a privileged position in the world for itself in the space of about a thousand years. However, I cannot understand the economically privileged position of the white race over the rest of the world unless I closely connect it with a political conception of mastery that has been inherent in the white race as something natural for many centuries and has been represented by it externally Take any single region, for example, India: England did not acquire India by right and order, but without regard for the wishes, opinions, or legal opinions of the natives, and maintained this rule, if necessary, with the most brutal ruthlessness. Just as Cortez or Bizarro once appropriated Centra. America and the northern states of South America not on the basis of any legal claims, but out of the absolute, innate sense of mastery of the white race. The settlement of the North American continent did not result from any higher legal claims according to democratic or international understanding"

Page 12 of Hitler, Adolf - Vortrag Hitlers vor westdeutschen Wirtschaftlern im Industrie-Klub zu Düsseldorf am 27. Januar 1932 (32S., Scan, Fraktur)
https://archive.org/details/HitlerAdolf ... 7/mode/2up

Incase anyone here considers themselves a National Socialist, do you agree that "Superior races" are right to dominate "Inferior" ones?
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HansHill wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 1:13 pm
ConfusedJew wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 1:07 pm Is it ever OK to demonize anybody?

Hitler was very close friends with Ernst Rohm until his desire to merge the SA paramilitary with the Germany military under his leadership threatened the Nazi military elites.

During the Night of the Long Knives, Hitler ordered a purge of the SA and had his friend arrested and killed without trial.

Is having your close friend killed in order to gain power worth demonizing?
Fascinating question, I'm actually very interested in this topic, because NOTLK exposes the early NSDAP government to uncomfortable truths about power dynamics. I have prepared some material for this before, you can view my thoughts on NOTLK in this thread. I specifically zoned into the credibility of the Rohm Putsch here, and concluded that it was credible.

You can read my thoughts here:

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=141
So do you think it is acceptable to demonize somebody for having their close friend killed to gain or protect one's power?

I'm assuming that you don't believe in the Jewish genocide so I won't use that as an example but if he did attempt to genocide Jews, do you think that would make him worth demonizing?

Or do you just demonize the actions and not the person?
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ConfusedJew wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 1:07 pm During the Night of the Long Knives, Hitler ordered a purge of the SA and had his friend arrested and killed without trial.

Is having your close friend killed in order to gain power worth demonizing?
This seems a strange reversal. Rohm was the one trying to gain power by demanding control over the army. Then Rohm tried to stage a coup, and for that he was executed. Although the betrayal of a close friend would have obviously stung, treason is still a capital offense.
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Wetzelrad is right: Rule of Law > Personal Friendships.

I showed you evidence of the Rohm Coup being legitimate and credible. I also showed you evidence of President Hindenburg threatening Martial Law if AH failed to act, and issuing a decree underscoring the legality of AH's actions. For your position to hold, you would need to argue it was the Rohm Coup was not credible, or Hindenburg was wrong. The floor is yours, I guess?
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I'll have to look into it more closely.

But to my other question, do you think that hypothetically trying to exterminate the European Jewish population would be worth demonization?

If not, then why not? If not that, then is anything worth demonizing?
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Frye wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 3:58 am
I did not say Adolf Hitler was trying to kill everyone on the planet. I am just pointing out in his National Socialist Worldview, subjugating or killing people considered inferior is not off the table.
This is a sizeable walkbalk from positively asserting that extermination other races was explicit in AH's words, walked all the way down to it was implicitly "not off the table" (whatever that means) if you strain your eyes through this choice of distorted quotations. Of course none of this has been demonstrated whatsoever thus far, and I feel like your walkback reflects how tentative your assertions actually are.
There is a difference between a religious and a racial anti-semitism, which is not hard to see. Being able to switch religions to escape persecution is not nearly as bad as being pinned just because of your parents ethnic group.
Fluff. Although I do agree with you there are different levels of anti-semitism, from religious to political, attempting to assert a position like this to people engaged in actual ethnic conflict, for example during The Troubles in Northern Ireland or the current conflict in Gaza (just convert, bro!) would get you either i) laughed out of the room or ii) hurt. You yet again are misunderstanding the entirety of ethnic conflict since human record-keeping began. Would your advice to the Israelis be to "just convert to Islam" and that will solve everything in the middle east? Would they be friendly to you if you suggested that?
The text of the image "Denn diese sind nur ein Wurf nach dem Menschen hin" translates to "Because these are only a throw towards man" (using google translate). So, Black and Asian people are only a throw towards man who supposedly do not hit the mark.

Their Japanese Allies should not have been surprised with an image demeaning an Asian man as not fully a man, considering Hitler's steadfast belief in Aryan/White Supremacy.

"If, from today onwards, the Aryan influence on Japan ceased—if Europe and America collapsed—then Japan’s present progress in science and technology might still last for a short while. But within a few decades, the inspiration would dry up, native Japanese character would flourish, and present civilization would become fossilized and fall back into the sleep from which it was aroused seven decades ago by Aryan culture. Therefore, just as present Japanese development is due to Aryan influence, so in the distant past, foreign influence and spirit awakened Japanese culture of that day."
Page 295 of Mein Kampf, Dalton Translation Volume 1.
https://archive.org/details/mein-kampf- ... 4/mode/2up
Very strange choice of passage here - I assume you don't know what he is talking about, so I will teach you: Here he is referring to the Meiji Restoration, where beginning in the 1860s (approx 7 decades prior to Mein Kampf, as in the passage you quoted) the Japanese elite began to seek out Western technology, Western ideas, Western politics, Western institutions, and Western economic practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration

This was a very contentious time for Japanese society, with many elements rejecting this Westernisation, concerned about their loss of identity, and attempting to return to a more traditionally Japanese culture. These people would agree perfectly with Adolf Hitler here, that Western influence was not natural, or welcomed in Japan, as it was causing a loss of Japanese identity. Because of this, there were many attempts to prevent this Westernisation, and to overthrow the new government and revert back to a more traditional Japanese set of values.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsuma_Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shizoku
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_Rebellion

Everything in the passage you quoted, was known and understood at the time in light of everything I have told you above, and there is nothing controversial about any of this.

"This is already clear from a glance at the current world situation: We have a number of nations that, based on their innate, superior values, havércreated a way of life that bears no relation to the living space they inhabit in dense settlements. We have the so-called white race, which, since the collapse of antiquity, has secured a privileged position in the world for itself in the space of about a thousand years. However, I cannot understand the economically privileged position of the white race over the rest of the world unless I closely connect it with a political conception of mastery that has been inherent in the white race as something natural for many centuries and has been represented by it externally Take any single region, for example, India: England did not acquire India by right and order, but without regard for the wishes, opinions, or legal opinions of the natives, and maintained this rule, if necessary, with the most brutal ruthlessness. Just as Cortez or Bizarro once appropriated Centra. America and the northern states of South America not on the basis of any legal claims, but out of the absolute, innate sense of mastery of the white race. The settlement of the North American continent did not result from any higher legal claims according to democratic or international understanding"

Page 12 of Hitler, Adolf - Vortrag Hitlers vor westdeutschen Wirtschaftlern im Industrie-Klub zu Düsseldorf am 27. Januar 1932 (32S., Scan, Fraktur)
https://archive.org/details/HitlerAdolf ... 7/mode/2up

Incase anyone here considers themselves a National Socialist, do you agree that "Superior races" are right to dominate "Inferior" ones?
Another bizarre argument, and I am seriously questioning whether you even know what you are talking about. You are posting in a thread about the "Demonisation of Adolf Hitler", and the argument you are using to support this demonisation is.... British and Spanish Colonialism?

If i strain really really hard, I can almost perceive you as having a somewhat credible critique of European Colonialism, and you have chosen the NSDAP as a vehicle for your grievance against the European Colonialism. Absolutely bizarre stuff. I'm not really expecting you to post anything more of interest so feel free to re-read my posts as many times as you like. I also note you have not answered Archie's questions.
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ConfusedJew wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 5:54 pm I'll have to look into it more closely.

But to my other question, do you think that hypothetically trying to exterminate the European Jewish population would be worth demonization?

If not, then why not? If not that, then is anything worth demonizing?
You have gone from a really fascinating question, one full of political machinations, and intrigue, to a really really dull question.

Sigh. Are you expecting me to say murdering whole races of people is good?
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HansHill wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 6:59 pm
ConfusedJew wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 5:54 pm I'll have to look into it more closely.

But to my other question, do you think that hypothetically trying to exterminate the European Jewish population would be worth demonization?

If not, then why not? If not that, then is anything worth demonizing?
You have gone from a really fascinating question, one full of political machinations, and intrigue, to a really really dull question.

Sigh. Are you expecting me to say murdering whole races of people is good?
No, I don't know what you will say which is why I'm asking the question. People on here don't believe that the Holocaust happened and seem to think that Hitler was a great man, or something, so I'm trying to figure out what the moral code is of this place. I'm confused remember and I'm just trying to find a little clarity.

Like many of you guys don't think the Holocaust happened which is kind of weird because I have a lot of family that was killed in the Holocaust. So I'm trying to figure out if you actually believe that it didn't happen but it would be a terrible thing if it did or something else is going on.

Stubble said that he has "judenhass" in another thread so is it so bad that he would be OK with the Holocaust if it did happen or what?
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ConfusedJew wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 7:28 pm
HansHill wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 6:59 pm
ConfusedJew wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 5:54 pm I'll have to look into it more closely.

But to my other question, do you think that hypothetically trying to exterminate the European Jewish population would be worth demonization?

If not, then why not? If not that, then is anything worth demonizing?
You have gone from a really fascinating question, one full of political machinations, and intrigue, to a really really dull question.

Sigh. Are you expecting me to say murdering whole races of people is good?
No, I don't know what you will say which is why I'm asking the question. People on here don't believe that the Holocaust happened and seem to think that Hitler was a great man, or something, so I'm trying to figure out what the moral code is of this place. I'm confused remember and I'm just trying to find a little clarity.
If you're being genuine then fair enough.

While I can't speak for everyone, the standard of Holocaust Denial / Revisionism on display here is of a generally higher level than lets say, Twitter for example. On Twitter you will find posters making very different arguments, for example about the 6 million cookies or the wooden doors. We are (for the most part) above arguments of that kind.

Again being cautious that i cannot possibly speak for everyone, you will likely find the consensus here that the Holocaust was not:

- Possible,
- Desirable, or
- Necessary
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HansHill wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 7:33 pm
If you're being genuine then fair enough.

While I can't speak for everyone, the standard of Holocaust Denial / Revisionism on display here is of a generally higher level than lets say, Twitter for example. On Twitter you will find posters making very different arguments, for example about the 6 million cookies or the wooden doors. We are (for the most part) above arguments of that kind.

Again being cautious that i cannot possibly speak for everyone, you will likely find the consensus here that the Holocaust was not:

- Possible,
- Desirable, or
- Necessary
The majority of people on Twitter, especially Dan Bilzerian or Jake Shield or Nick Fuentes, seem to be motivated by racial hatred of Jews and will say whatever they possibly can to cause pain to Jews regardless of whether or not it is true or that they even believe it to be true.

I would speculate that there's quite a bit of that here too but I will have to figure that out.

I'm honestly just curious why people believe all of this stuff and else they might see the world.
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You seem confused, it is not about causing pain, it is about exposure of real and pressing issues with regard to jewry.

were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Sun May 04, 2025 1:58 am You seem confused, it is not about causing pain, it is about exposure of real and pressing issues with regard to jewry.

This is off topic but feel free to open a new thread on that if you like.
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HansHill wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 6:37 pm
Frye wrote: Sat May 03, 2025 3:58 am
I did not say Adolf Hitler was trying to kill everyone on the planet. I am just pointing out in his National Socialist Worldview, subjugating or killing people considered inferior is not off the table.
This is a sizeable walkbalk from positively asserting that extermination other races was explicit in AH's words, walked all the way down to it was implicitly "not off the table" (whatever that means) if you strain your eyes through this choice of distorted quotations. Of course none of this has been demonstrated whatsoever thus far, and I feel like your walkback reflects how tentative your assertions actually are.
There is a difference between a religious and a racial anti-semitism, which is not hard to see. Being able to switch religions to escape persecution is not nearly as bad as being pinned just because of your parents ethnic group.
Fluff. Although I do agree with you there are different levels of anti-semitism, from religious to political, attempting to assert a position like this to people engaged in actual ethnic conflict, for example during The Troubles in Northern Ireland or the current conflict in Gaza (just convert, bro!) would get you either i) laughed out of the room or ii) hurt. You yet again are misunderstanding the entirety of ethnic conflict since human record-keeping began. Would your advice to the Israelis be to "just convert to Islam" and that will solve everything in the middle east? Would they be friendly to you if you suggested that?
The text of the image "Denn diese sind nur ein Wurf nach dem Menschen hin" translates to "Because these are only a throw towards man" (using google translate). So, Black and Asian people are only a throw towards man who supposedly do not hit the mark.

Their Japanese Allies should not have been surprised with an image demeaning an Asian man as not fully a man, considering Hitler's steadfast belief in Aryan/White Supremacy.

"If, from today onwards, the Aryan influence on Japan ceased—if Europe and America collapsed—then Japan’s present progress in science and technology might still last for a short while. But within a few decades, the inspiration would dry up, native Japanese character would flourish, and present civilization would become fossilized and fall back into the sleep from which it was aroused seven decades ago by Aryan culture. Therefore, just as present Japanese development is due to Aryan influence, so in the distant past, foreign influence and spirit awakened Japanese culture of that day."
Page 295 of Mein Kampf, Dalton Translation Volume 1.
https://archive.org/details/mein-kampf- ... 4/mode/2up
Very strange choice of passage here - I assume you don't know what he is talking about, so I will teach you: Here he is referring to the Meiji Restoration, where beginning in the 1860s (approx 7 decades prior to Mein Kampf, as in the passage you quoted) the Japanese elite began to seek out Western technology, Western ideas, Western politics, Western institutions, and Western economic practices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Restoration

This was a very contentious time for Japanese society, with many elements rejecting this Westernisation, concerned about their loss of identity, and attempting to return to a more traditionally Japanese culture. These people would agree perfectly with Adolf Hitler here, that Western influence was not natural, or welcomed in Japan, as it was causing a loss of Japanese identity. Because of this, there were many attempts to prevent this Westernisation, and to overthrow the new government and revert back to a more traditional Japanese set of values.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satsuma_Rebellion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shizoku
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_Rebellion

Everything in the passage you quoted, was known and understood at the time in light of everything I have told you above, and there is nothing controversial about any of this.

"This is already clear from a glance at the current world situation: We have a number of nations that, based on their innate, superior values, havércreated a way of life that bears no relation to the living space they inhabit in dense settlements. We have the so-called white race, which, since the collapse of antiquity, has secured a privileged position in the world for itself in the space of about a thousand years. However, I cannot understand the economically privileged position of the white race over the rest of the world unless I closely connect it with a political conception of mastery that has been inherent in the white race as something natural for many centuries and has been represented by it externally Take any single region, for example, India: England did not acquire India by right and order, but without regard for the wishes, opinions, or legal opinions of the natives, and maintained this rule, if necessary, with the most brutal ruthlessness. Just as Cortez or Bizarro once appropriated Centra. America and the northern states of South America not on the basis of any legal claims, but out of the absolute, innate sense of mastery of the white race. The settlement of the North American continent did not result from any higher legal claims according to democratic or international understanding"

Page 12 of Hitler, Adolf - Vortrag Hitlers vor westdeutschen Wirtschaftlern im Industrie-Klub zu Düsseldorf am 27. Januar 1932 (32S., Scan, Fraktur)
https://archive.org/details/HitlerAdolf ... 7/mode/2up

Incase anyone here considers themselves a National Socialist, do you agree that "Superior races" are right to dominate "Inferior" ones?
Another bizarre argument, and I am seriously questioning whether you even know what you are talking about. You are posting in a thread about the "Demonisation of Adolf Hitler", and the argument you are using to support this demonisation is.... British and Spanish Colonialism?

If i strain really really hard, I can almost perceive you as having a somewhat credible critique of European Colonialism, and you have chosen the NSDAP as a vehicle for your grievance against the European Colonialism. Absolutely bizarre stuff. I'm not really expecting you to post anything more of interest so feel free to re-read my posts as many times as you like. I also note you have not answered Archie's questions.
I said Hitler fully believed in Racial Supremacy and the right of the "Superior" Race to subjugate or even exterminate the "Inferior" Races, which he did. Implementing such is not as easy as professing your belief in it.

Whether it's a good "solution" or not, a Palestenian in Gaza is not going to take anthropological measurements to see if someone is racially valuable enough to become a Muslim, stark contrast.

Hitler saying the Japanese are incapable of development without Aryan influence, and cannot truly "create" a culture, and considering Japan's 1919 Equality proposal, I don't think they would appreciate being labelled as inferior to "Aryans."

I'm curious as to how you would interpret "Because these are only a throw towards man" as anything other than the depicted "Races" not hitting the mark for being men/human.


I am not citing British and Spanish Colonialism. I am citing Hitler's own words including such as an example of how a Superior race is entitled to act under his Principles.

I did some more digging, and found these 2 quotes (translated google translate) which further demonstrate Hitler's belief in the right of Superior Races to violently subjugate Inferior Ones.

"The idea is always to change something existing and take a step forward, and it is all a struggle, no matter what weapons are used, because even war is nothing more than a struggle forward, albeit with different means, and the individual can resist it a thousand times and say a thousand times, "I reject that." This plane I spoke of earlier is supposed to touch down on the coast of the continent in a few days, 6 which has also been conquered by whites, and some man declares, "I will not participate in your capitalist, your military policy, I am emigrating, I am going to North America." He completely forgets that he is entering a country that was conquered according to our principles, not presented to the white man by a host of angels, but that the white man one day took up arms against the redskins and slowly displaced the redskins, with powder and lead, with blood and even with brandy, with every means imaginable, with the most barbaric means. And that is precisely what draws the pacifist in to escape the poor conditions here. (Very good!) So, he still participates again and again in the results of this struggle, albeit the struggle of others, just as nine-tenths of all the so-called pacifism we see flourishing in Germany today is nothing but cowardice and speculation on the courage of others. (Lively applause and clapping.) Sharing in the goods of all, that's what one does, joining in the fight, that's what one rejects.”

August 1927 Dok. 160 "Was ist Nationalsozialismus?" ! Rede auf NSDAP-Versammlung in Heidelberg ?
Volksgemeinschaft vom 28.11., 29.11., 30.11., 1.12, 2.12., 3.12, 4.12., 5.12., 6.12., 7.12., 8.12.,9.12., 10.12. und 11.12.1935, "Aus dem Kampf der Heidelberger SA. Der Führer sprach 1927 in Heidelberg" “.
Page 443 of HITLER REDEN SCHRIFTEN ANORDNUNGEN FEBRUAR 1925 BIS JANUAR 1933 Band Il Vom Weimarer Parteitag bis zur Reichstagswahl Juli 1926—-Mai 1928 Teil 2:
K:-G : Saur München London : New York : Paris 1992

https://archive.org/details/hitler-rede ... 6/mode/2up


“Never has cowardice guided human destiny for the good. What you see today in humanity is the remnant of struggling creatures. For the 1,800 million people that the Earth currently counts, there are countless billions who, barely born, have already died, countless billions who later were unable to withstand the struggle of life. And what we see today is the selection of strength.

The dominance of the white race is not the result of mutual understanding between nations;
out of bloody struggle, it slowly rose and gave the world what we call culture. Every achievement in the world arose from struggle. People and nations with a correct worldview are constantly on the path to success,
and people without any worldview are as wavering as chaff. Their decisions are inexplicable, in reality perhaps best illustrated by our current bourgeois political parties in Germany, which provide the clearest illustration of how entities without a worldview fare.

November 1929 Dok. 106 "Weltanschauung und Kommunalpolitik" ! Rede auf NSDAP-Versammlung in München ? VB vom 1./2.12., 3.12. und 4.12.1929 3.

Page 479 of HITLER REDEN SCHRIFTEN ANORDNUNGEN FEBRUAR 1925 BIS JANUAR 1933 Band Ill Zwischen den Reichstagswahlen Juli 1928 -September 1930 Teil 2: März 1929 - Dezember 1929 Herausgegeben und kommentiert von Klaus A. Lankheit K.G . Saur München - New Providence -»- London - Paris 1994

https://archive.org/details/hitler-rede ... 0Teil%202/
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This has been your most disjointed, confused and ahistoric post so far - nowhere in this mess did you make anything approaching a cohesive point.
I said Hitler fully believed in Racial Supremacy and the right of the "Superior" Race to subjugate or even exterminate the "Inferior" Races, which he did. Implementing such is not as easy as professing your belief in it.
You have now fully walked back "Hitler's words as explicitly genocidal" to something like "he was thinking about it but just couldn't because of arbitrary reasons despite him wanting to". The latter sentence you made here is actually well at home on Codoh. We agree that exteminating entire races of people is completely unfeasible. Would you like to discuss more about how impossible something like this would be?
Hitler saying the Japanese are incapable of development without Aryan influence, and cannot truly "create" a culture, and considering Japan's 1919 Equality proposal, I don't think they would appreciate being labelled as inferior to "Aryans."
What he said is "present Japanese development is due to Aryan influence," (which it was as i have taught you, under the Meiji Restoration) and without Western influence the "native Japanese character would flourish" and revert back to something approximating a more traditional Japanese society - which, as I've also taught you, a large segment of Japanese wanted at this time, and actively sought out. Nothing about this is controversial. I assume you don't believe this, which is your right, so you should have picked a different example, because the example Adolf Hitler uses perfectly encapsulates his point, and you have done nothing to argue otherwise.

Another "tell" that you don't know what you are talking about is your flapping about with your mention of the Japanese 1919 Racial Equality Proposal - the idea that the Japanese people were scorned by the League of Nations, and left with legitimate grievances, is nothing new to me. Do you know who else were scorned by the LoN and had legitimate grievances? The German people. That was kind of Adolf Hitler's whole thing. Furthermore, it was the soon-to-be-Allies that played the largest part in denying Japan this clause. All of this in fact, just underscores that "Race" and "Racial Differences" at this period of time were thought and talked about in ways which are completely incompatible with modern Liberalism. Talked about, including by the very Japanese people you seem so intent on coddling as victims BTW

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Equality_Proposal

But regardless, this is all pointless - because the baffling examples you provided of Adolf Hitler's approval of subjugating and exterminating racial outgroups were the Meiji Restoration (my dog outside knows how clownish this is) and European Colonialism. This is so laughable I don't even know where to begin. It seems you clearly are animated by a distaste for the NSDAP and have decided on using passages where Adolf Hitler writes in his book about any historic example of a Western Power exercising economic or military superiority over non-Europeans as proof of Adolf Hitler wanting to, again, what exactly? Genocide the Redskins? Mass murder his Japanese Allies? Did you forget that you were here to demonise Adolf Hitler and not the British and the Spanish and the Americans? This is so utterly buffoonish.
I'm curious as to how you would interpret "Because these are only a throw towards man" as anything other than the depicted "Races" not hitting the mark for being men/human.
"Please analyse this disjointed and broken sentence that clearly has no immediate and direct English translation and which lacks all the nuance of its original German which is exactly what you have been telling me all along"

LOL

At best (and I mean, it's really a stretch) what you have attempted to demonstrate is that Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf writes about race and racial differences in ways that are incompatible with modern Liberalism. You can call those racial views outdated if you wish, that again would be your right. But what you don't get to do, is assert that this was i) in any significant way unusual for the time, ii) warranting of a singular point of demonisation, or iii) Genocidal.
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