borjastick wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:41 pm I think we should acknowledge the chasm between a muslim peasant who says what his imam tells him to say and thinks the way the supreme leader tells him to think and has probably never read anything decent in his life, or had an original thought in his life, and a well read and intelligent Revisionist here in the west.
A good example of group-think all wrapped up in jew hating nonsense from Iran etc was the book The Satanic Verses. Calls for death to Salman Rushdie by millions of Iranians who would never read the book and when not hating on him were screaming for the destruction of israel when they could probably not point a finger at israel on a map are a far cry from Revisionism as I see it.
Revisionism at its best, regularly shown in these pages, is a credit to the Revisionist community and is very scary to those believers who know they have been shown to be earth shatteringly dumb.
Plenty of Muslims are functionally illiterate. There is also an arrogance with them that prevents them from reading or even considering ideas outside his cognitive scope. Now a Imam may still be respected in such communities, simply because he is considered more knowledgeable. So when they will dispute the Holocaust, people will just parrot this. But before one bashes them too much. It isn't different with Westerners that blindly believe their Professors, Journalists and well... at times still their Priests and Pastors.
It turns out a bit like with the emperor's new cloths. Only the intelligent people can see those cloths. So if you don't see them, than you are not one of the smart people. Most people don't seem to understand the lore of the tale, it seems. The Covid-scam has shown this as well. People believe it, because Doctors talked about the Covid-virus, etc. And plenty of previously known condition became "Covid" on short notice.
And it's actually pretty cringe that the the trad churches in Europe made a turn around with what they had to say on Jews and Judaism. Previously they were pretty clear that Jews were the enemy of Christians, that Judaism was a false teaching, that Jews had to be witnessed to for their own benefit. And that the political authorities were wise to deny Jews full citizen rights in their realms. That was softened up already prior to WW1. Especially in Germany where the treatment of Jews was the most liberal and benevolent.
Over time it however became apparent that this wasn't actually rewarded by many of the Jews. In fact they were very vocal in their hostility against the institutions, traditions, culture of their host nations. I get that this was probably just a minority among Jews and that the rest just went along with the program. But to outside observers it was pretty apparent. Also that people seemed to be too timid to reprimand Jews for this.
As far as the churches were concerned they had their internal quarrel about teachings and practices. But one should note that they were still pretty conservative, when it came to folk, faith, fatherland, family - virtues were to be personal, not political as they turned and twisted it after World War Two. There were disputes around the reliability of scripture. And the key doctrines to be taught. It was less on the ethics, though. Albeit there were people that promoted a social gospel, which put more emphasis on charity and christians engaging in it... occasionally that already switched towards support for (state run) welfare policies, which is different from private or social charity....
Key issue for Christians should however be that the Holocaust Dogma isn't so much about Hitler, NS or WW2 - It is a thinly veiled attack on the gospel it self. As the saying goes: "Auschwitz is the refutation of Christ"... And I already told Christians that you can not be a Christian and a Holocaustian at the same time. Now you could believe in components of the Holocaust narrative, even the silly ones... But it's a package deal putting Jews on an elevated position and pointing a finger against a) Christians and by implication against Christ.
Most Christians of course don't realize this... They tend to be rather shallow with their beliefs anyway... Even when they are members of a church. And even if they are active. They tend to go with the consensus there, even if they smell problems in it.
