The Question of Conspiracy

[Nessie]

Rudolf is being insulting to the German people. That cowardly retreat into admitting to crimes they did not commit, forced by the SU, is drivel of the highest order. Drivel, because it is not backed by any evidence. The Soviets could influence East Germany into maybe making admissions, but not West Germany. Ironically, East Germany hardly held any trials at all, the vast majority took place in the West. Rudolf ignores that Germany was split and talks as if it was one nation. West Germany was not subject to a harsh set of punishments, the Cold War meant it was quickly re-developed and returned to being the Wests economic superpower. It would have benefitted West Germany and its new allies, to reveal a Soviet Holocaust hoax.

Germar Rudolf explains this conspiracy better in his book “Dissecting the Holocaust”. By the way, you come to us as a revisionist and you don’t even seem to know what the best among us maintain.

Revisionists do not understand what they are alleging.

[Nazgul]

All those millions of potential witnesses and you got none.

People do not witness non events; all think it happened to someone else.

[Stubble]

Stubble: The OSS was clearly involved in generating atrocity propaganda and tainting nuremburg with it, here, watch this video.

Nessie: why are you pointing at Soviet propaganda that failed 60 years after the close of the war.

Stubble:...

[Nessie]

All those millions of potential witnesses and you got none.

People do not witness non events; all think it happened to someone else.

Millions of Jews in camps and ghettos in 1944, is not a non-event. It is a huge event, that would have needed a lot of planning and resources. The camp staff and guards required for that undertaking would have been in the tens, maybe over a hundred thousand. A-B alone had a total staff of over 8,000.

[Nessie]

Stubble: The OSS was clearly involved in generating atrocity propaganda and tainting nuremburg with it, here, watch this video.

Nessie: why are you pointing at Soviet propaganda that failed 60 years after the close of the war.

Stubble:...

Yes, please explain how Soviet failed conspiracies is evidence that they could be successful at faking the deaths of millions of Jews, even now, decades after the fall of the SU.

[Stubble]

Nessie, you are hunting a leg to stand on here, I get that, but, if you aren't going to address the content of my argument, can you kindly jog on?

Regarding these missing persons, they are missing. You assume they were murdered by the nazis. I do not.

We disagree.

[Nessie]

Nessie, you are hunting a leg to stand on here, I get that, but, if you aren't going to address the content of my argument, can you kindly jog on?

Your argument is that failed examples of hoaxes are evidence the Soviets could succeed in a massive hoax. I disagree.

Regarding these missing persons, they are missing. You assume they were murdered by the nazis. I do not.

We disagree.

I do not assume, since the murders are evidenced. You assume they were not murdered, since you have no evidence of millions of Jews still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944.

[HansHill]

Stubble: The OSS was clearly involved in generating atrocity propaganda and tainting nuremburg with it, here, watch this video.

Nessie: why are you pointing at Soviet propaganda that failed 60 years after the close of the war.

Stubble:...

Yes, please explain how Soviet failed conspiracies is evidence that they could be successful at faking the deaths of millions of Jews, even now, decades after the fall of the SU.

Why are you splitting it in "failed hoax" versus "successful hoax"? A hoax is a hoax regardless of whether it was failed or not. Additionally, they can "succeed" for a very long time and then fail. Which is exactly what has happened and will continue to happen. The Soviets have been both successful and unsuccesful in their various hoaxes - eg successful: eg wildly inflated death counts at various camps, and unsuccessful - pinning the Katyn massacre on Germany.

Your need to split them into successful vs failed belies the strength of your position, and it's very telling!

[Stubble]

Nessie, you are hunting a leg to stand on here, I get that, but, if you aren't going to address the content of my argument, can you kindly jog on?

Your argument is that failed examples of hoaxes are evidence the Soviets could succeed in a massive hoax. I disagree.

Regarding these missing persons, they are missing. You assume they were murdered by the nazis. I do not.

We disagree.

I do not assume, since the murders are evidenced. You assume they were not murdered, since you have no evidence of millions of Jews still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944.

Nessie, I'm going to stress this, very clearly, the OSS was a branch of the American apparatus. I'm also going to be very clear once again, more than one group, one agency or one government were involved with the allies and involved in propaganda.

Nessie, you lack a few things, a murder weapon, a crime scene and bodies. The crime scenes that remain do not physically reflect what is described, that doesn't fill me with faith in the story you blindly open your mouth, insert and swallow whole.

[TlsMS93]

We don't need ashes, we have disturbed soil.

Nessie updated his new circumstantial evidence.

[Nessie]

Stubble: The OSS was clearly involved in generating atrocity propaganda and tainting nuremburg with it, here, watch this video.

Nessie: why are you pointing at Soviet propaganda that failed 60 years after the close of the war.

Stubble:...

Yes, please explain how Soviet failed conspiracies is evidence that they could be successful at faking the deaths of millions of Jews, even now, decades after the fall of the SU.

Why are you splitting it in "failed hoax" versus "successful hoax"? A hoax is a hoax regardless of whether it was failed or not. Additionally, they can "succeed" for a very long time and then fail. Which is exactly what has happened and will continue to happen. The Soviets have been both successful and unsuccesful in their various hoaxes - eg successful: eg wildly inflated death counts at various camps, and unsuccessful - pinning the Katyn massacre on Germany.

Your need to split them into successful vs failed belies the strength of your position, and it's very telling!

From Katyn to Jewish soap, the Soviets spread lies and atrocity stories, all of which we know about. There is no way they could run a hoax as huge as faking the deaths of millions of people, that needed the cooperation of its enemies during the Cold War.

[Nessie]

Nessie, you are hunting a leg to stand on here, I get that, but, if you aren't going to address the content of my argument, can you kindly jog on?

Your argument is that failed examples of hoaxes are evidence the Soviets could succeed in a massive hoax. I disagree.

Regarding these missing persons, they are missing. You assume they were murdered by the nazis. I do not.

We disagree.

I do not assume, since the murders are evidenced. You assume they were not murdered, since you have no evidence of millions of Jews still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944.

Nessie, I'm going to stress this, very clearly, the OSS was a branch of the American apparatus. I'm also going to be very clear once again, more than one group, one agency or one government were involved with the allies and involved in propaganda.

That the hoax needed so many to run it, is a major reason why it could not have succeeded.

Nessie, you lack a few things, a murder weapon, a crime scene and bodies. The crime scenes that remain do not physically reflect what is described, that doesn't fill me with faith in the story you blindly open your mouth, insert and swallow whole.

I have evidence for the murder weapons, their location and type and the evidence of a Nazi cover up to try and destroy as much as possible.

I have the crime scenes and a lot of detail and evidence about them.

I have evidence of large areas of buried, cremated human remains.

Those crime scenes reflect exactly what witnesses described took place at the camps and the attempted cover up.

It does not fill me with faith that you are misrepresenting that volume and scale of evidence there is. You are doing that to deflect from your total lack of evidence.

[HansHill]

From Katyn to Jewish soap, the Soviets spread lies and atrocity stories, all of which we know about. There is no way they could run a hoax as huge as faking the deaths of millions of people, that needed the cooperation of its enemies during the Cold War.

Yes they could, the United States Gov involved half the world in a war based on fake WMDs that never existed, but everyone played along that they did because it was politically convenient for them to do so. This was in the modern era where access to data should have rendered that entire premise as ridiculous, yet the hoax was still executed.

Your personal incredulity as to how this can not happen is a poor reflection on you, not Revisionists.

[Stubble]

Your argument is that failed examples of hoaxes are evidence the Soviets could succeed in a massive hoax. I disagree.



I do not assume, since the murders are evidenced. You assume they were not murdered, since you have no evidence of millions of Jews still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944.

Nessie, I'm going to stress this, very clearly, the OSS was a branch of the American apparatus. I'm also going to be very clear once again, more than one group, one agency or one government were involved with the allies and involved in propaganda.

That the hoax needed so many to run it, is a major reason why it could not have succeeded.

Nessie, you lack a few things, a murder weapon, a crime scene and bodies. The crime scenes that remain do not physically reflect what is described, that doesn't fill me with faith in the story you blindly open your mouth, insert and swallow whole.

I have evidence for the murder weapons, their location and type and the evidence of a Nazi cover up to try and destroy as much as possible.

I have the crime scenes and a lot of detail and evidence about them.

I have evidence of large areas of buried, cremated human remains.

Those crime scenes reflect exactly what witnesses described took place at the camps and the attempted cover up.

It does not fill me with faith that you are misrepresenting that volume and scale of evidence there is. You are doing that to deflect from your total lack of evidence.

Nessie, what authority 'ran' the alligators in the sewers hoax?

Perhaps we should say 'legend' rather than hoax. Either way it is both fake and gay.

You absolutely don't have a murder weapon, a crime scene or bodies, because none of those things in fact exist.

The extant rooms purported to be 'homicidal gas chambers' are not as described by witnesses, do not exhibit key features described by witnesses and lack any detectable forensic evidence consistent with use as 'homicidal gas chambers'.

Disclaimer: when referring to 'it' in this context I am referring specifically to 'homicidal gas chambers'. When I say it is an 'urban legend' that does not discount the proven 'fake' gas chambers nor does it disregard the evidence of allied actors being involved in atrocity propaganda. I'm simply stating that a unique management of this legend or hoax as a collective belief is not necessary as the individual pieces were sufficient to let the grand fable become part of the zeitgeist.

[Nessie]

From Katyn to Jewish soap, the Soviets spread lies and atrocity stories, all of which we know about. There is no way they could run a hoax as huge as faking the deaths of millions of people, that needed the cooperation of its enemies during the Cold War.

Yes they could, the United States Gov involved half the world in a war based on fake WMDs that never existed, but everyone played along that they did because it was politically convenient for them to do so. This was in the modern era where access to data should have rendered that entire premise as ridiculous, yet the hoax was still executed.

Your personal incredulity as to how this can not happen is a poor reflection on you, not Revisionists.

It is reasonable to incredulous of an extreme claim that cannot be evidenced and has evidence to the contrary. You have just given yet another example of a failed hoax

The hoax is Holocaust denial, pushing claims that need millions of people, governments, universities and the media to have cooperated for decades.