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[Numar Patru]

I’ve been through the Kola thread multiple times and don’t see any kind of response to the questions of: 1) how many bodies revisionists think are buried there; and 2) how those bodies got there, if not by a mass gassing operation.

I’m not asking for proofs so much as for your theories. Because it seems like there are more bodies than what a transit camp would warrant.

[TlsMS93]

The problem is that you think that Kola solves everything, since it is the only study that the exterminationists seem to offer.

And so far I have not seen any answers to the questions that the classic revisionists have raised about him, such as Mattogno and Rudolf. I even mentioned the latter in a debate we had in another thread, and the only thing they offered to discredit was the confusion with the terms “human bodies” and “ashes”.

Neither the revisionists nor the exterminationists can actually say how many were cremated and buried there, because the Jewish authorities, in collusion with the Poles, concreted over most of the camp for their museum.

Base conclusions that almost half a million are buried there only on the fact that the area of ​​disturbed land is considered too large, neglecting the irregularities of these graves and the fact that the local population has been rummaging through this place for decades, it is to be expected that there will be more questions than answers.

If I want to know how many hairs I have on my head, how would I do that? I would scrape them and count them one by one. That would be empirical science, don't you agree? But in the case of the Reinhardt camps, none of that is necessary. The word of a few, a deportation report, and that's it. We are the ones who must answer where they are, as if the country east of those camps at the time was an open book.

[Numar Patru]

Thanks for not answering either question.

Next.

[TlsMS93]

Now, based on the ash collection capacity that Kola found in the core samples of these graves, Rudolf argues that at most 10,000 bodies would have died and been cremated in this camp, or even less, but this is just an estimate. Are you content with an estimate? Because not even the exterminationists agree with their own numbers, so not even the side you defend has an exact number.

Now, if 10,000 would have died and been cremated there, why do you ask how this would refute the issue of gassings?

If the question you want to get to is why they were cremated if there was no gassing, it is simply for hygiene reasons and to hinder Allied propaganda narratives, but it was more a question of hygiene.

[Numar Patru]

Given 21,000 cubic meters of grave space, that’s more than 2 cubic meters per person, which is just ludicrous.

[TlsMS93]

But who said that Kola found ashes in all the soil samples he prospected? You assume that the alleged amount of disturbed soil was filled entirely with bodies and then ashes. Some AI research considers that 35,000 m3 would be needed to accommodate 500,000 people, considering 0.07 cubic meters per person, but forget that, the issue is samples containing ashes and Kola's, of the 2,227 samples, only 6 had ashes, 3% of the disturbed soil samples

Exterminationists love to extrapolate findings

[Numar Patru]

But who said that Kola found ashes in all the soil samples he prospected? You assume that the alleged amount of disturbed soil was filled entirely with bodies and then ashes. Some AI research considers that 35,000 m3 would be needed to accommodate 500,000 people, considering 0.07 cubic meters per person, but forget that, the issue is samples containing ashes and Kola's, of the 2,227 samples, only 6 had ashes, 3% of the disturbed soil samples

Exterminationists love to extrapolate findings

What percentage sampled would satisfy you?

[Archie]

Given 21,000 cubic meters of grave space, that’s more than 2 cubic meters per person, which is just ludicrous.

Not really. For one thing, the 21,000 is an extrapolation by Kola. The grave boundaries appear to be generous and that total volume includes the top dirt layer. The effective burial space could easily be a lot less.

In fact, 1-2 bodies per cu meter is not an usual burial density at all. A density of 5 per cu meter is high. Most mass graves are less than that.
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=189

[Nessie]

Revisionists will not give a straight answer, that X number of corpses are buried at the camp and they died from Y.

For a start, they cannot evidence X or Y, as they are not genuine historical researchers, gathering evidence to establish what happened. That leaves them with argument, which they will use to dodge and obfuscate, because 21,000m3 of disturbed ground makes Belzec one of the largest mass grave sites in history, rivalled only by the other AR camps and Chelmno.

[TlsMS93]

But who said that Kola found ashes in all the soil samples he prospected? You assume that the alleged amount of disturbed soil was filled entirely with bodies and then ashes. Some AI research considers that 35,000 m3 would be needed to accommodate 500,000 people, considering 0.07 cubic meters per person, but forget that, the issue is samples containing ashes and Kola's, of the 2,227 samples, only 6 had ashes, 3% of the disturbed soil samples

Exterminationists love to extrapolate findings

What percentage sampled would satisfy you?

I've already said in another topic what would satisfy me to believe in the Holocaust. Filtering the soil from these Reinhardt camps and finding that the alleged number of deaths is consistent with the amount of ash filtered, like shaving your head and counting how many hairs you have, remember? But it doesn't happen because it was with Jews, if it were with any other people I doubt that this wouldn't have been done already.

[Numar Patru]

If it were anyone but Jews, no one would be doubting it happened

[Numar Patru]

Given 21,000 cubic meters of grave space, that’s more than 2 cubic meters per person, which is just ludicrous.

Not really. For one thing, the 21,000 is an extrapolation by Kola. The grave boundaries appear to be generous and that total volume includes the top dirt layer. The effective burial space could easily be a lot less.

In fact, 1-2 bodies per cu meter is not an usual burial density at all. A density of 5 per cu meter is high. Most mass graves are less than that.
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=189

The math ain’t mathing.

1 body in 2 cu m =\= 2 bodies in 1 cu m

Or am I missing something?

[Archie]

Given 21,000 cubic meters of grave space, that’s more than 2 cubic meters per person, which is just ludicrous.

Not really. For one thing, the 21,000 is an extrapolation by Kola. The grave boundaries appear to be generous and that total volume includes the top dirt layer. The effective burial space could easily be a lot less.

In fact, 1-2 bodies per cu meter is not an usual burial density at all. A density of 5 per cu meter is high. Most mass graves are less than that.
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=189

The math ain’t mathing.

1 body in 2 cu m =\= 2 bodies in 1 cu m

Or am I missing something?

You are missing a lot of things.

The density of 1-2 bodies I said was typical. It is not a minimum. There is no real minimum because there is no reason you can't have disturbed soil with zero or very few bodies. If you assume something like 1 meter of top cover, that alone would be around 5,500 cu meters with zero bodies. For 2 meters (the proverbial six feet deep), that's over half of the grave space right there (with zero).

Based on grave space alone, we can discard the traditional claim of 600,000 as well as the alternate figure of 435,000. Cremation considerations are further reason to reject those claims. If it could be proved that some intermediate figure like 50,000 died at Belzec (this has not been done), then both sides would be wrong. In that case, revisionists would need to make a concession or give some accounting for that number of deaths. But since lower figures like 10,000 are perfectly plausible, I see no reason to make such a concession.

[TlsMS93]

If it were anyone but Jews, no one would be doubting it happened

Speak for yourself. I don't believe in the Holodomor as a genocide, for example, and there has already been a debate on why I think so on the old forum.

[Stubble]

If it were anyone but Jews, no one would be doubting it happened

The reasons for my doubts have nothing to do with jews and everything to do with lies. Conveyor belts of death, rivers and geysers of blood, masturbation machines of death, bicycle races of death in the gas chamber, on and on and on and on and on.

Then there is the infeasiblity of most of the claims.

For example with this claim, you have some disturbed soil and some cremains found. Out of that, exterminationists assume a 100% packing density and extrapolate half a million bodies. It's nuts.

That drives away from you main point of your post, and for that I apologize, but, I really felt it needed to be said.

My doubt of the holocaust has nothing to do with the victims being jewish and everything to do with the lies I was force fed for my entire life about the event.

So far as the number of victims one can determine from the kola study, personally, I believe the dataset is insufficient for a realistic answer.

While I would hope the answer would be not very many, I may eventually have to come to terms with a less comfortable number than not very many, and I'll cross that bridge when I get there.