4 years in Auschwitz.

[DavidM]

First Auschwitz Prisoner Dies. Stanisław Ryniak (1915-2004)

Stanisław Ryniak, an engineer from Wrocław, Poland, will never again travel to Oświęcim to take part—as he did each year—in commemorative observances at the Museum. The first political prisoner in Auschwitz Concentration Camp, Ryniak died recently in Wrocław at the age of 88 and was buried in Osobowicki Cemetery there.

Ryniak was born in Sanok, Poland, on November 21, 1915. He spent his childhood in Sanok and attended elementary school there before attending the State Construction School in Jarosław. He was in his fourth and final year at that school in the 1939/40 school year, but never graduated because, along with all students over the age of fifteen there, he was arrested by the Gestapo on May 5, 1940 on suspicion of belonging to the Union of Armed Struggle clandestine organization. The Gestapo subjected all the pupils to preliminary interrogations, before releasing all but three of them. Ryniak, who did indeed belong to the Union, was one of the three.

After being held in the local jail for three days, the trio of students were transferred to the prison in Tarnów, where large numbers of secondary-school and college-level students were already being held along with Poles arrested while attempting to cross the border into Slovakia in order to reach France and volunteer for the Polish military units being formed there. On June 14, 1940, the Germans transferred 728 Poles from the Tarnów prison to Auschwitz Concentration Camp.

There were already 30 German convicts, with camp numbers 1 to 30, in Auschwitz. This first cadre of trusties, capos, and block supervisors soon earned notoriety for their cruelty towards the Polish political prisoners.

“I often wondered how I came to receive number 30, the first number for a Polish political prisoner,” Ryniak recalled. “Perhaps my name was at the top of the transport list, or perhaps it was pure chance.”

After spending almost four years in Auschwitz as prisoner number 31, Ryniak was placed in a penal transport on October 28, 1944, and transferred to Leitmeritz (Litomierzyce), where there was a Flossenbürg Concentration Camp sub-camp. He was liberated on May 8, 1945.
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/museum/new ... 4,356.html

How do Believers explain the fact that Auschwitz prisoners almost 4 years in the "extermination camp," were transfered out and survived the War?

[Nessie]

Auschwitz was a complex of camps that included criminals, political prisoners, POWS and non-Jewish forced labourers, who were not subject to the extermination process. Its operation, as a death camp, was limited to Birkenau in 1943-4, though the first gassings took place in the main camp in 1941-2. The vast majority of prisoners gassed were Jewish and Roma, with some euthanising of others.

[Numar Patru]

How do Believers explain the fact that Auschwitz prisoners almost 4 years in the "extermination camp," were transfered out and survived the War?

If you don't understand the distinction between Auschwitz and Birkenau, maybe learn a bit more before posting?

[DavidM]

Hello Numar-
Nessie has correctly recited the Believer story that mass gassing occurred in Auschwitz Main Camp...along
with mass murder by shootings...so how do you explain that eye-witness Stanisław Ryniak survived?
Could not have been "sloppy" record keeping since, in fact, inmate #31 was specifically picked to be
moved to another camp?

Other Poles.
The example of Stanisław Ryniak is not at all unique...
Regarding the vast housing complex at the Auschwitz sub-camp of Birkenau, do you know that
thousands of Poles were sent to Birkenau and survived?

Danuta Czech places the number of people who were moved out of Auschwitz-Birkenau in the tens of thousands.

[Numar Patru]

I don't recall claiming that Poles were routinely gassed at Auschwitz or Birkenau...

[Nessie]

...
Nessie has correctly recited the Believer story that mass gassing occurred in Auschwitz Main Camp...along
with mass murder by shootings...

The earliest gassings took place in the main camp. The majority of gassings took place in the 6 gas chambers at Birkenau in 1943-4. I am not aware of a mass shooting at A-B.

[Stubble]

...
Nessie has correctly recited the Believer story that mass gassing occurred in Auschwitz Main Camp...along
with mass murder by shootings...

The earliest gassings took place in the main camp. The majority of gassings took place in the 6 gas chambers at Birkenau in 1943-4. I am not aware of a mass shooting at A-B.

Next to the 'block of death' is the 'wall of death' where masses of people were 'shot to death' at Auschwitz Main Camp.

There are other places where it is maintained that the evil nazis committed mass shootings at the Auschwitz Complexes and in the surrounding area.

I've even read 1 tale where prisoners were loaded up into a gas van at Auschwitz, driven 20 miles, didn't die, and were shot. That story is like a trifecta. You have Auschwitz, mass shooting and a gas van, all in the same tale.

[TlsMS93]

...
Nessie has correctly recited the Believer story that mass gassing occurred in Auschwitz Main Camp...along
with mass murder by shootings...

The earliest gassings took place in the main camp. The majority of gassings took place in the 6 gas chambers at Birkenau in 1943-4. I am not aware of a mass shooting at A-B.

Next to the 'block of death' is the 'wall of death' where masses of people were 'shot to death' at Auschwitz Main Camp.

There are other places where it is maintained that the evil nazis committed mass shootings at the Auschwitz Complexes and in the surrounding area.

I've even read 1 tale where prisoners were loaded up into a gas van at Auschwitz, driven 20 miles, didn't die, and were shot. That story is like a trifecta. You have Auschwitz, mass shooting and a gas van, all in the same tale.

How can we forget the Wall of Death, a wall that does not have a single bullet mark on it, the Germans were so good at aiming, a problem that they claim is not the original wall, so why did they tear down the original? No bullet marks, no shootings.

“Not giving heed to Jewish fables, nor to commandments of men who turn from the truth.”

Titus 1:14

If a Jew says this about his own people, he has some authority.

[DavidM]

I don't recall claiming that Poles were routinely gassed at Auschwitz or Birkenau...

That is exactly the point. The Germans put thousands of people into the "TOP SECRET" extermination camp with no
intent to silence them
There is a gap between thousands of Polish eye witnesses at Auschwitz Main-Birkenau and Believer claims of German secrecy.
How do you explain the tens of thousands of eye witnesses transferred out of Birkenau...or those left alive?

[Numar Patru]

Plans of secrecy are difficult to maintain as one is losing a war and trying to salvage one’s country by ransoming one’s surviving internees.

[DavidM]

Plans of secrecy are difficult to maintain as one is losing a war and trying to salvage one’s country by ransoming one’s surviving internees.

Hello Numar,
You lost me there as far as Auschwitz is concerned.

But Thousands of Poles from the Warsaw rebellion of 1944 were sent to Birkenau and either remained till Liberation or were marched west. see Rising '44 The Battle for Warsaw by Norman Davies. No attempt at secrecy at all.

Ironically, many of the Polish patriots who rose up against the Germans were later executed by the communists...off topic a
bit but I could not help throwing it in.

[Numar Patru]

Again… your point?