On Pogroms

[Stubble]

Again, unserious. You've already indicated that you understand what the Talmud is and that not nearly every statement therein is meant to be taken seriously or applied as law.

Just to drill down into how irrelevant to the actual topic at hand some statements in the Talmud are, you're citting Gittin, which is a tractate specifically related to divorce contracts. The whole discussion that even mentions this inflated number of deaths stems from a six-page-long digression having to do with the disposition of land ownership during the Jewish revolt. This digression itself is a digression from the larger main topic of divorce and is relevant only because the status of land ownership during the revolt might determine who received the land in a divorce settlement. This whole subtopic itself seems to have been inserted in the middle of a conversation about the rights of deaf-mutes in divorces.

This is typical of how antisemites "read the Talmud."

Talmud: makes offhand remark about Jesus in the context of a discussion about how long after a meat meal one can drink milk
Antisemite: "The Talmud is obsessed with Jesus!"

Let me get this straight, and, I'm going to ignore the strawman.

Are you saying that I have 1)misrepresented what is written or 2)in any way altered the meaning of what was said?

To be honest, it sounds a lot like the holocaust, rivers of blood, people killed in peculiar ways by the millions.

Now, I'm not saying there isn't some type of gematria involved. But, the number 4,000,000,000 seems like it may be an exaggeration to me.

[Numar Patru]

What straw man are you referring to?

I didn’t say it wasn’t an exaggeration, did I? I was pointing out that it’s an irrelevant statement

[Stubble]

That bit at the end.

It's not like I asked you how to milk a chicken. Talk about irrelevant.

For clarity, what I quoted is 1)in the talmud where I pointed and 2)says 4,000,0000,000. Correct?

[Numar Patru]

The translation I looked at says 40,000,000, but it seems like a minor difference. Otherwise yes, accurate

[Stubble]

Going back to the differences between the jew and a goyim, can you be anointed with oil Numar? If no, why not?

Can I be annointed with oil? If yes, can a dead man or a bull?

[Numar Patru]

Going back to the differences between the jew and a goyim, can you be anointed with oil Numar? If no, why not?

Can I be annointed with oil? If yes, can a dead man or a bull?

I have no idea what you're asking or why. The only anointing with oil I'm aware of in the Jewish tradition is Samuel anointing Saul and then Samuel as King of Israel. So the answer would be (theoretically) yes for me and no for the other people/animals since they're not Jewish.

I feel, however, you're thinking of something else.

Also, "goyim" is plural. "Goy" is singular.

[Stubble]

You may need to chat with your rabbi about anointing.

You are of Adam, and it would be a sin to anoint you according to your law.

I really would think you would know this.

It would not be a sin to anoint a goy or the goyim, because we, apparently, are not 'man' or 'of Adam'.

See, apparently, I'm not human...

You make much of 'well, context' or whatever, your religion is very clear, I am not considered 'human', but, less than.

For Christian 'idolaters' there is a separate rung, and there is contempt for them, same with muslims.

Earlier, you just brushed off the difference, and learned on 'context' after saying 'it doesn't say you are a beast of the field'.

Well, you aren't entirely incorrect, it doesn't say it, it implies it, or that I am the same as a dead man.

[Numar Patru]

You got a citation or anything like that for this claim of yours?

[Stubble]

Keritot: 6b

Should I quote it?

[Numar Patru]

No, I found it. I also found a refutation.

https://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/man.html

[Stubble]

Fair enough.

I could keep going, I could ask you about standing in a cemetery etc etc.

You will likely just pivot though and not admit it.

To be honest, I don't think you are a jewish supremacist. I believe you may be in ernest here.

That doesn't mean that jewish supremacists don't exist though, or that these tracts don't say I'm less than human. Especially when taken together.

Now, you eventually will run into a problem with your particular interpretation at some point. Eventually you will have to come to terms with what would make you, as a jew, different from a gentile if we are indeed bone of the same bone and flesh of the same flesh.

I'm not sure if you have ever considered these things though, and I'm not entirely sure where or how you recieved your 'programming'.

Regarding 'programming', my programming was mostly to convince me of the need to bless Israel and honor the jew. Much of the new testament and much of the old testament was ignored.

We were taught 'love, love, love'.

That's a bit of an aside, but, I felt a need to throw it out there as an example of the influence 'teaching' can hold over 'knowledge'.

Religions, all of them, have parts that when scrutinized are rather unpleasant.

There are a lot of tangents and rabbit holes I could go down, and there is much time we could waste, but, ultimately, I don't think that would do much to realign either of our perceptions.

/shrug

[Numar Patru]

Now, you eventually will run into a problem with your particular interpretation at some point. Eventually you will have to come to terms with what would make you, as a jew, different from a gentile if we are indeed bone of the same bone and flesh of the same flesh.

Other than religion and/or ethnic group? Nothing.

[Stubble]

Now, you eventually will run into a problem with your particular interpretation at some point. Eventually you will have to come to terms with what would make you, as a jew, different from a gentile if we are indeed bone of the same bone and flesh of the same flesh.

Other than religion and/or ethnic group? Nothing.

Some among you seem to disagree.

https://www.jta.org/archive/dying-jew-d ... -christian

[Numar Patru]

Not my responsibility. Am I supposed to hold you responsible for every dumb thing a hwite person does?

[Stubble]

Not my responsibility. Am I supposed to hold you responsible for every dumb thing a hwite person does?

If you see me carrying their water, I would consider it fair.

/shrug

Hell, I don't blame you personally for 9/11, do I?