What is evidence? [remedial education series]

[Nessie]

Nothing evidentially hinges on the mechanism of the Kula columns.

Your side's explanation for the lack of Prussian blue (as well as the fast pace of cremation) hinges on super fast ventilation of the chamber. And the "Kula columns" are the purported mechanism by which the pellets were removed from the chamber. Otherwise, the pellets would continue releasing gas for hours which would create all sorts of problems. Hence the Kula columns are crucial to your position.

Not being able to explain, to your satisfaction, why there is an apparent lack of PB, how the chamber was ventilated or anything else to do with its functioning, has no evidential value.

The Kula columns are not crucial. Only two chambers are evidenced to have had them, so they were not essential to the gassing process. It would not matter even if we did not know about them at all. Not knowing how something worked, is independent of knowing if it that something existed or not. There is corroborating evidence of the existence of the Kula columns, but it is patchy and incomplete and so we are not sure exactly how they functioned. There are lots of things in history we know happened, but lack details of how they happened.

Your argument that we have to know how it happened, or else we cannot prove it happened, is flawed.

[Keen]

Not being able to explain, to your satisfaction, why there is an apparent lack of PB, how the chamber was ventilated or anything else to do with its functioning, has no evidential value... Your argument that we have to know how it happened, or else we cannot prove it happened, is flawed.

This is the same nonsensical "logic" that the mentally ill HC cult members spew while trying to defend their "magically disappearing jew" theory.

[HansHill]

It would not matter even if we did not know about them at all. Not knowing how something worked, is independent of knowing if it that something existed or not. There is corroborating evidence of the existence of the Kula columns, but it is patchy and incomplete and so we are not sure exactly how they functioned.

Its so perfectly on brand for you to:

i) Not understand something,
ii) Make no attempt to try and understand,
iii) Assert that understanding doesn't actually matter,
iv) Assert that attempting to understand is meaningless, irrelevant and to be avoided,
v) Refuse to apply any degree of critical thinking in your "Nessie" Public Persona,
vi) Post a bunch of incoherent slop about how understanding something while discussing it is unneccessary.

All of these things are your right, by the way. You're perfectly justified in not understanding how anything works or caring why this should matter. But this forum is full of people who do care. So politely shut the hell up about not wanting to understand or care, while the people who do care discuss these topics.

[Nessie]

It would not matter even if we did not know about them at all. Not knowing how something worked, is independent of knowing if it that something existed or not. There is corroborating evidence of the existence of the Kula columns, but it is patchy and incomplete and so we are not sure exactly how they functioned.

Its so perfectly on brand for you to:

i) Not understand something,
ii) Make no attempt to try and understand,
iii) Assert that understanding doesn't actually matter,
iv) Assert that attempting to understand is meaningless, irrelevant and to be avoided,
v) Refuse to apply any degree of critical thinking in your "Nessie" Public Persona,
vi) Post a bunch of incoherent slop about how understanding something while discussing it is unneccessary.

All of these things are your right, by the way. You're perfectly justified in not understanding how anything works or caring why this should matter. But this forum is full of people who do care. So politely shut the hell up about not wanting to understand or care, while the people who do care discuss these topics.

I do understand your argument. You think that because you cannot work out how gassings were possible and how the Kula column could have worked, that is somehow evidence there were no gas chambers or Kula columns.

I understand and care how the Kula columns and gas chambers worked, in the same way I understand how an engine and a car works. I do not have all the details and I cannot explain how they work with precision, but I can understand how they functioned.

You want to keep on discussing the workings of the gas chambers and columns, without bothering to understand the point of your discussion, because you cannot bear facing the futility of what you are doing.

[HansHill]

you cannot bear facing the futility of what you are doing.

[Archie]

Nessie is pretending to believe that the presence/lack of presence of cyanide compounds in the walls of the "gas chambers" has no evidentiary value. GTFO. It is very obviously relevant. And I know that you know that it's relevant. Stop playing dumb. I know are not the sharpest guy, but I do not think you are as thick as you are pretending to be with these comments. If you want to argue that it is not 100% conclusive for whatever reason, go right ahead, but to dismiss it as irrelevant is brazenly dishonest.

[Archie]

Nessie's inability to argue coherently along with his refusal to confront relevant data are why he will likely never be invited back to the real Debate board. He just recycles the same circular assertions over and over without addressing anything of substance.

I will add that as the Debate board has not been busy lately, the bar right now is pretty low, and Nessie still can't meet it. I would rather have the Debate board sit idle until someone smart comes along than to have it larded up with Nessie's lame posts.

As an aside, it's pretty funny that the opposition has complained loudly for years about CODOH's supposed censorship, yet I can tell you the door here has been wide open. They don't come by here because they know it's not going to go well for them.