The Franke-Gricksch Report

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:lol:

Stuff has been forged on both sides of the fence. What usually sinks it, is the contents, because it is the answer to the wish.

'I sure wish I had one that said >insert x<.'

Poof

'Oh look, I have found it all here in this one document'

Sometimes the document even has the correct seals, signatures etc. What it doesn't have? Patents and confirmability...



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It happens man.

I also don't have to give a forgery artist any props. It is tradecraft. I would fully expect a professional to use correct paper, ink, equipment etc.
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Stubble wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2026 2:51 am
I also don't have to give a forgery artist any props. It is tradecraft. I would fully expect a professional to use correct paper, ink, equipment etc.
You would not expect them to track down a typewriter, or break one in a very specific way, no this is not typical. This would require, at the very least, a great deal of energy.
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A presentation from TRS on the report;



It is a response to the HC article.

We have misrepresented the expert report. The expert only confirmed the model of typewriter, and, without the original could not confirm they were typed on the same machine.

I stress again that the biggest problem here is the content, not that it was typed on paper. You seem to think a forger would not use time correct materials or the same model typewriter to make a forgery. This omits the fact that a forger would and this isn't even a complex forgery. It is literally just words on paper.
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Not only time correct materials bro, they made it look like the EXACT same typewriter, and you can examine the high def copies of the files to see this is true and the discrepancies (very slight almost unnoticeable manufacturing defects) line up.

"The expert only confirmed the model of typewriter, and, without the original could not confirm they were typed on the same machine."

Utter poppycock. The expert said "The matching system features and type features justify the conclusion that the documents "A" and "B" were with a great probability [mit großer Wahrscheinlichkeit] written with one and the same typewriter."
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You are misrepresenting the expert findings. He said same model, and, because of the carbon, could not confirm the same typewriter.
A higher probability statement was not possible because the examined documents were not available as originals.
The part of the quote, you docked.

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Stubble wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2026 4:02 pm You are misrepresenting the expert findings. He said same model, and, because of the carbon, could not confirm the same typewriter.
A higher probability statement was not possible because the examined documents were not available as originals.
The part of the quote, you docked.
I quoted that before so I felt no need to again.

By higher probability statement, he means higher probability than "great probability".
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No, you omitted it because it confirmed what I said. That's obvious to anyone who sees this exchange.

You keep saying 'the exact same', while the expert explicitly states such exactitude is not possible without the original.
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No he says a higher probability than great probability is not ascertainable without the originals.

"The matching system features and type features justify the conclusion that the documents "A" and "B" were with a great probability [mit großer Wahrscheinlichkeit] written with one and the same typewriter. A higher probability statement was not possible because the examined documents were not available as originals."

(expert opinion of 3 April 2019 by Bernhard Haas, Sachverständiger für Maschinenschriften, provided to the author)
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Again, even granting the machine out of hand doesn't change the problems with the document.

I am again forced to ask, did he travel not just through space, but, through time, in Die Glocke? I understand you are hyperfocused on a guy saying 'it was probably typed on this typewriter', ultimately, it doesn't matter if it was printed on a model 85 newspaper rotary press, or the typewriter in the office of the purported author...it's still fabricated.
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Almost any document imaginable could be fabricated by entities skilled and motivated enough. But people still look at identifying marks when judging provenance, why?
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Because it's a clue Shaggy. It isn't the totality of 'proof' however.

I can't help but notice you keep dodging the author's use of Die Gloke for his trip. He obviously had to have used Die Glocke.

I can't find his requisition for the requisite Xerum 525...

Let me see if i can find it...

Here it is! A photo even!

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The very last line: "The present capacity of the “resettlement action” furnaces: 10,000 in 24 hours."

This is a highly discrediting blunder, imo.

-Most obviously: the number is false and way too high
-In May 1943, Krema III construction was not complete yet
-This 10,000 figure is found in multiple, later sources (quite damning)

Consider, for example, USSR-8 (the Soviet Auschwitz report from May 1945): "All the crematoria incinerated 10,000 - 12,000 bodies per day."

Holo-historian Gerald Fleming (one of the first to discuss the F-G report - see Ch 17 of his book) makes a comparison between F-G and Filip Mueller: "The accounts of the SS officer and the former concentration camp prisoner [Mueller] concur on one fact: that the cremation capacity of the camp ovens reached up to ten thousand corpses per twenty-four hours." Fleming doesn't seem to notice the problem here, perhaps because he doesn't realize the number is completely wrong. And Mueller is not the only one who repeated this figure. Dragon, Tauber, and Nyiszli all gave numbers in this vicinity.

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If we have multiple examples of this 10,000/day figure and all the others are from 1945, it is far more likely that F-G is dependent on these other sources and it is not at all plausible that F-G came up with the same (wrong!) number two years earlier. It strongly suggests a date of composition of 1945 or later.
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Hoess at Nuremberg:
"In Birkenau there were five installations - two large crematoria, each of which had a capacity for receiving 2,000 persons in the course of 24 hours. That is to say, it was possible in one gas chamber to put to death up to 2,500 persons; in five double ovens heated with coke it was possible to burn at the most 2,000 bodies within 24 hours; two smaller installations could eliminate about 1,500 people, with four bigger double ovens to each of them. Furthermore, there was also one open-air installation - that is, an old farmhouse was sealed and turned into a gas chamber, which could also contain 1,500 persons at one and the same time. The incineration was carried out there in an open pit on wood, and this was practically limitless.In my estimation, it was possible to burn there, in 24 hours, up to 8,000 persons in this way. Hence it was possible to exterminate and eliminate up to 10,000 people within 24 hours in the installations described above. As far as I am aware, this number was attained only once in 1944, when delays occurred in the arrival of trains, and consequently five transports arrived together on one day."
Hoess was the guy who "told" FG the furnace capacity. He also "told" Eichmann this was the figure
"In Auschwitz I had to look at those installations yet once more. I told Hoess this and as a consequence he ordered a field car. We rode in the field car through some area - I didn't know my way around in Auschwitz. This was a section - far from the headquarters. I had been there on my business several times only in the headquarters, near the main entrance, I had never been further inside - I also did not have any inclination to do so - and then I saw large buildings, large buildings, this was already in the guise of a factory, the enormous chimney, and Hoess said to me: "Yes," he said, "here there is a capacity of 10,000 - yes 10,000."..
Clever conspirators. It is extremely likely they introduced this element into the story to strengthen the FG document, of which they knew the typewriter matchable carbon copy would surface sooner or later (in this case decades later).

It also probably doesn't need to be said that it hardly matters if these documents are actually "accurate" to any particular story. The Becker Gas Van letter, for example, has nothing about it that screams forgery or is "inaccurate" yet it is clearly a forgery, because as we know the Gas Vans story is false. The conspirators tracked down FG's war time typewriter, or found an identical defective typewriter - a trivial task. It would be likewise trivial for them to produce any such "accurate" document.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Basically;
Well, Hoess said in 1946 something that matches something said by someone in 1943, so, forget the chronology issue!
Dude, show me the Die Glocke he used to take his fucking trip man.
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bombsaway wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2026 1:42 pm Clever conspirators. It is extremely likely they introduced this element into the story to strengthen the FG document, ...
You are using sarcasm to mask a bad argument. "Strengthen," lol.
It is extremely likely they introduced this element into the story because that was the standard number in the early postwar period
Hoess testified at Nuremberg in 1946. Eichmann's statements are from around 1960. It amazes me that you believe these post-1943 statements "confirm" a false number and confirm a 1943 dating.
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