Dr Kenneth Hanson on 'Holocaust Denial'

[HansHill]

…by showing us their remains. 800,000 under the ground at Treblinka….

That has been done

This lying muppet has just lied yet again.

I am challenging this lying muppet to back up his claim that 800,000 bodies have been shown at Treblinka.

If he fails at this, then this post should be marked by the mods as intentionally deceptive.

[Keen]

…by showing us their remains. 800,000 under the ground at Treblinka….

That has been done

This lying muppet has just lied yet again.

I am challenging this lying muppet to back up his claim that 800,000 bodies have been shown at Treblinka.

If he fails at this, then this post should be marked by the mods as intentionally deceptive.

The lying, mentally ill POS can't even show the remains of two people at T II, much less 800,000.

Its lies are endless. See more here:

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[Keen]

…by showing us their remains. 800,000 under the ground at Treblinka….

That has been done

This lying muppet has just lied yet again.

I am challenging this lying muppet to back up his claim that 800,000 bodies have been shown at Treblinka.

HansHill, if you would like to see what remains Colls discovered at Treblinka, watch the following video from the 37:40 mark to the 42:40 mark.



And don't forget to watch the reburial of all the human remains found at Treblinka II (from the 1:08:07 mark to the 1:08:40 mark) as well.

Can you believe the size of that "huge mass grave" that they had to dig in order to rebury all those human remains?

[Nessie]

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It's Schrödinger's Evidence, both complete and damning while simultaneously absent because it was all destroyed.

The way you misrepresent the evidence, is why you fall for the Holocaust denial hoax. There have been many crimes where the criminals have destroyed evidence. That destruction then becomes part of the evidence of the crime, as it is a criminal act to destroy it. An example of destroyed evidence is TII. Only one building was left, and the rest were not just demolished, they were buried. The site was in part planted over and that part is where multiple pits and cremated human remains have been found. The only documentation pertaining to the camp that survived, are transport records that were created by people who worked outwith the camp, but saw or sent the transports to the camp.

That surviving evidence corroborates the witness narrative of mass transports, mass murder and cremations. The destruction of so much evidence, allows the inference that a crime was being committed.

There is no evidence to support the accusations regarding The Bug River Camps. The alleged scale is absolutely untenable. If the scale is false, the extermination claim collapses as one is contingent on the other.

That is a bare faced lie. If there was the same volume of evidence, that Jews had been mass murdering Germans, you would accept that as proof. You lie about the evidence of mass murder, to deflect from the lack of evidence of mass survival.

It gets worse still, we don't even know who the alleged victims are supposed to have been. We have only a chart which is pointed to and voices that say 'it was (x) many [usually some variation of 6,000,000]'.

The plain truth is that there is insufficient physical evidence to support the orthodox thesis, hence SanityCheck had to pivot to the 'Oregon Trail' theory of Aktion Reinhardt (notice there is a 't' in that, Aktion Reinhardt).

The various archives, such as Bad Arolsen, contain the records of who was arrested and sent to camps. For millions, evidence of their existence under the Nazis, ended at an AR camp, Chelmno or Birkenau.

You have chosen to labour under the pretence that there is a lack of physical evidence.

[Nessie]

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When I tried to address this before, both bombsaway and Nessie implied that I was strawmanning the orthodoxy. I'm not. The convention among most orthodox historians is indeed that ths nazis were somehow able to pull off the magic disappearing mass grave trick, and, that they made the operation happen with no 1) plan 2) budget 3) timetable via telepathy.

The mass graves have not disappeared. Instead, their form was changed. Instead of neatly delineated pits containing piles of countable corpses, they left often irregular pits filled with ash, cremains and larger bits of bone. Details of what they left are in the reports in this thread, that Archie refused to left me update, because he also wants to pretend that there is a lack of evidence of the mass graves.

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In the absence of any order to start an extermination program, testimony that there was once an order to end it is used as evidence of it having existed. It is important to note that no copies have ever been produced, even the one you would think the 'witness' would have kept for himself.

There is a Hitler signed document ordering the start of the euthanasia programme. There are multiple documents about the start of the mass shootings and the Einsatzgruppen. Then there are documents about the setting up of AR. They all pertain to the Final Solution, which has a smoking gun with the Wannsee Minutes.

Hans Frank at Nuremberg talks about having asked Adolf Hitler if there were executions going on at the Bug River Camps. Hitler bluntly responded, yes, of partisans.

Himmler wrote in 1941 that Jews were to be exterminated as partisans.

https://holocausthistory.site/1941-12-1 ... partisans/

In my opinion, that is the extent of the genocide of the jews at the Bug River Camps. The Germans in Aktion Reinhardt and under the Einsatzgruppe also seem to have handled that operation with 'kid gloves'. They missed so damn many people they should have swept up an executed, outright, given their charter.

You should rely on evidence, rather than your biased, distorted opinion.

Look at Sobibor. They left a Soviet POW alive, a POW who was also involved with the partisan resistance. The exact demographic which the operations were targeting. At Treblinka II, they left a known communist propagandist with prewar recorded involvement in subversion and publishing, the one and only humble carpenter Wiernik. This list can go on and on.

They were not left alive, they escaped.

The scale and scope of killing operations in the East, during the execution of a war, have been greatly exaggerated. If things had really been 'as claimed' there would be a lot more evidence, and, the people who would have known would have known, they would not have been gobsmacked by Hoess's testimony after he had been made pliant in the London Cage...

If we are generous and we assume that every hole at these sites is a 'huge mass grave', there is room to accommodate roughly 10% of the claimed dead. Is that tragic? Of course, war is a protracted tragedy for all involved. It isn't the bill of goods we have been sold however.

When proper investigations of these sites are eventually carried out, I won't be surprised to learn that the dead were dispatched with a hot lead injection, and not via electric floors in hermetically sealed chlorine homicidal gas chambers or with exotic war gasses that allowed the condemned to walk into the mass graves before dying.

Can you say what a "proper" investigation would look like?
Can you explain why all the so-called revisionist investigations have failed to agree on what the AR camps were used for?

[Nessie]

…by showing us their remains. 800,000 under the ground at Treblinka….

That has been done

This lying muppet has just lied yet again.

I am challenging this lying muppet to back up his claim that 800,000 bodies have been shown at Treblinka.

If he fails at this, then this post should be marked by the mods as intentionally deceptive.

Link to the evidence here;

viewtopic.php?t=594

You will find multiple witnesses describing the mass graves, transport records that prove at least 800,000 were sent to TII, the archaeological and forensic evidence and photos that show the extent of the disturbed ground.

That you chose to pretend that is not evidence to prove c800,000 were buried there, is your issue, not mine. I can show you the evidence, I cannot force you to accept it.

[HansHill]

Reported for dodging challenge. 800,000 bodies not presented.

Suggest user's posts are manually amended by the mod team to include "Warning - This User Is Intentionally Deceptive"

[Nessie]

Reported for dodging challenge. 800,000 bodies not presented.

Suggest user's posts are manually amended by the mod team to include "Warning - This User Is Intentionally Deceptive"

Could you please go into more detail about how all that evidence dodges the challenge?

Are you suggesting that because I cannot physically show you mass graves, where 800,000 corpses can be individually counted, such as the mass graves at Katyn, that means I cannot prove mass graves?

[HansHill]

....I cannot physically show you....

Why not?

[Keen]

That surviving evidence corroborates the witness narrative of mass transports, mass murder and cremations. You have chosen to labour under the pretence that there is a lack of physical evidence.

Liar.

There is virtually NO physical evidence that substantiates the holohoaxers fantasy that 925,000 jews were murdered at T II.

NONE.

ZERO.

NADA.


You, nor any other mentally ill holohoaxer, can prove the existence of the remains of so-much-as 2 people at T II.

The destruction of so much evidence, allows the inference that a crime was being committed.

There is the "magically disappearing jew" story again!

But what did the lying POS say earlier about the fraudulently alleged human remains?

nessie:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves.

ALL the mass graves dug by the Nazis, AND the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps.

“HUGE MASS GRAVES” are easily identifiable physical entities.

I refuse to believe in the existence of any physical entity that I am not allowed to see.

If you want me to believe, then simply: Show me that which you allege I deny.

[Stubble]

Reported for dodging challenge. 800,000 bodies not presented.

Suggest user's posts are manually amended by the mod team to include "Warning - This User Is Intentionally Deceptive"

Could you please go into more detail about how all that evidence dodges the challenge?

Are you suggesting that because I cannot physically show you mass graves, where 800,000 corpses can be individually counted, such as the mass graves at Katyn, that means I cannot prove mass graves?

The evidence;

A few more Treblinka maps that DeathCamps.org doesn't have.

Their "KUDLIK, WIERNIK, TRAUTSOLT MAP" from Oboz stracen w Treblince was revised in 1946 in Obóz zagłady Treblinka with more details and revisions to the language in the map key:



- full reprt here

There's also this map from the Ringelblum Archive, date "After 07.1942." The version on the archive's website is much larger.



And this one, from the 1964-1965 trial of Kurt Franz, reproduced in Chad Gibbs's dissertation "Against that Darkness: Revolt at Treblinka."



DeathCamps.org really needs an update or successor. It's not on HTTPS, which might be the reason their images can't be embedded here.

Does not support the claim.

If you are going to claim the population of Seattle is buried in the confines of the discret camp referred to as Treblinka II, you have to illustrate that with evidence consistent with the claim. At a minimum you would need to prove sufficient disturbed ground.

You will of course pivot to '56 Olympic Swimming Pools', but we have been over that canard many times. They didn't have 56 Olympic Swimming Pools at Treblinka II. They did have a Swimming Pool at Treblinka I though.

Regarding the t4 order, that rather undermines your exterminationist narrative, don't it? There would be an order...

There were standing orders for 14f13 and 14f14. It is my opinion that 14f13 and 14f14 executions were carried out within the confines of the Bug River Camps. I have insufficient evidence to prove that claim however. What I do have is Hans Frank saying that Adolf Hitler told him that there were executions occurring at these sites, of partisans.

[Keen]

The mass graves have not disappeared.

[Keen]

I cannot physically show you mass graves

Nor can you show anyone the remains of so-much-as two people - out of an alleged 925,000!

And not even one human tooth - out of an alleged 29 million!

[Keen]

....I cannot physically show you....

Why not?

Because the only thing he can show you actually proves the lying POS wrong:



And let's not forget:

nessie:

A mass grave is defined as a grave containing multiple human corpses, or the remains of multiple people.

nessie, how many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

nessie's answer:

12 - G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54.

[Keen]

....I cannot physically show you....

Why not?

It must have lost its magic glasses.