Allied deceptions, psy-ops and atrocity propaganda.

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pilgrimofdark wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2026 7:22 pm
Stubble wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2026 5:48 pm
I'd say the connection is under studied and under emphasized.

Hector is spot on, everything was 'fascist' and 'nazi'.

The corpus is big.

Regarding direct person (a) at (x) court stuff, what you have found is an outlier. Stuff is usually much less direct.
Yes, exactly. I pointed out a mention of a direct connection, which I've also found to be pretty rare.

I don't think we're in disagreement on the overall connections.

And I admit that I'm often more than "a little sarcastic."

I skimmed through a couple of Kevin MacDonald's books to see if he raises the Frankfurt-OSS-Nuremberg legal theories connection, but didn't see it. And it's not on Marcuse's Wikipedia page.

Only a few mentions of Marcuse in CODOH articles.

There's also a book called Secret Reports on Nazi Germany: The Frankfurt School Contribution to the War Effort, which I hadn't heard of before (available from the usual suspects). It compiles OSS reports written by Marcuse and others. So maybe I am a little behind on this.
Yes, it can be downloaded here: https://archive.org/details/secret-repo ... war-effort

It takes a sympathetic stance, of course. In the sense "Look how those intellectuals contributed to the Good War".
It makes them more palatable to American Cucks who swallowed the 'Good War' narrative. That they were the main contributors to the "New Left" and 'political correctness' in the US, those cucks won't see. And to be frank, those folks lack any serious political philosophy.... Essentially they want the same the left wants "only slower"...

It is however worth investigating what influence those 'progressive intellectuals' had on the image of this era. Also, who the role players were.
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At the Nuremberg show trial, the Frankfurt School successfully inserted the Holohoax into the indictment of the All Lies by turning it into food for their favorite propaganda schtick, that is, the narrative that they were just peace-loving angels dragged into a big war against their will by ruthless criminals seeking world domination by war and terror.

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Ask any AI -LLM the following "What was the Frankfurt School's influence on the Nuremberg Indictment?" and come back with what the answer was. Hint: It's going to be quite straight forward.
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There was a book published in 1945 in America entitled ‘History Of World War II — Armed Services Memorial Edition’ that was authored by Francis Trevelyan Miller.

Under the chapter heading “Axis Torture Chambers” there is a long scree of now discredited holyhoax atrocity propaganda.
Here below is an excerpt from that chapter.
The ONLY mention of “gas chambers” in it was claimed to be in Belsen in Germany. Something no longer accepted as factual even by brain-dead, duped holyhoax true-believers like the three who post here at CODOH.

There are many more discredited claims from pages 863 to 871 with claims of rather ludicrous, sadistic forms of cruel torture in what are referred to as “torture chambers” and “extermination camps”.
In Germany, too, the Allies found and freed thousands of the hapless, anonymous civilians whom the Germans had hurled into their mass butcher shops at Dachau, Buchenwald, Belsen, and Luckenwalde. Many of these were Russians whom the Allies liberated at once; but there was nothing to do with them until the Russian Government could arrange for their repatriation.
For a while they were left at liberty, but their random roamings were a constant hazard to military movements and a perpetual source of friction with the German civilians who had so long tortured them. The Allies were finally compelled to set up centers for them almost as if they were prisoners. These “prisoners” said they were receiving food and clothing in generous amounts and their only complaint was that they were not at home.
What the Americans found in the various concentration camps, large and small, sickened even the most calloused fighting man among the liberating troops. None of them had imagined that such brutality on the one hand, and such refinements of exquisite torture on the other, could exist anywhere in the civilized world in the twentieth century.

In one camp east of Salzburg, for example, prisoners no longer strong enough to work were picked up from the place where they had fallen exhausted and, screaming feebly, were tossed alive into roaring furnaces.

All the horrors that war prisoners had experienced were mere trivia in the political prisons.
The accounts that follow have been vouched for by eyewitnesses who included prominent editors and publishers of the United States, invited by General Eisenhower, with a group of Congressmen, to see the savagery for themselves. They are also vouched for by such generals as Eisenhower, Bradley, Simpson, Patton, and many others.

Army movies taken on the spot are silent witnesses. The Germans themselves professed ignorance of the existence of such camps, even then the stench from their crematories hung over miles of the surrounding countryside.

Belsen, one of the worst of these torture houses, was among the first to be overrun. Soldiers of the British Second Army could not believe the things they saw there, but, having seen them, could not disbelieve the terrible tales they heard from the victims who had survived the holocaust.
Josef Kramer, the Elite Guard commander of the camp, had graduated tortures.
Naked men and women were forced to parade for hours in winter rains;
other prisoners, fully clothed, were turned into locked compounds with vicious dogs, made half-wild by deliberate starvation.
Vivisection on prisoners was common.
Women were flogged on their breasts.
Men and women alike were lashed on the sensitive soles of their feet.
Attractive women were compelled to submit to the lovemaking of their captors.

There were 29,000 living prisoners in the camp at Belsen when the British took it. The number of dead was unknown. The survivors were suffering from typhus, typhoid, tuberculosis, and starvation. Vast mounds of unburied corpses lay everywhere, stripped of their clothing and valuables.
In the nearby town, everyone was eating far better than the civilians of France and Britain; in the prison itself there were piles of untouched Red Cross packages that the authorities had deliberately sequestered.
Kramer, the ringmaster of this gruesome circus, had served his apprenticeship at Oswiecim [Auschwitz] in Poland.
In Belsen, Kramer kept an orchestra to play him Viennese music while he watched children torn from their mothers to be burned alive.

Gas chambers disposed of thousands of persons daily. Prisoners were starved first as a punishment then as a sport.
SS women under his command would tie a living prisoner to a dead one and chain both to a pyre of slow-burning materials.
When this practice and the cremations were cut short by the lack of fuel, the bodies were piled on the grounds and occasionally buried in huge pits.
At Gardelegen the fuel shortage was overcome by the simple expedient of herding a thousand or more prisoners into an old building soaked with gasoline and setting it afire while guards were stationed outside to machine gun any who might succeed in making their escape from the flames.

Buchenwald was also a hellhole of diabolic torture. Soon after its capture, SHAEF sent its own inspectors to report on the German camp. They described it an an “extermination factory”.
In addition to all the horrors of Belsen, the Buchenwald directorate practiced murder by toxin, using the prisoners for all kinds of chemical experiments.

SHAEF’s inspectors confirmed the often-published story that SS personnel at Buchenwald kept tanned human skin as souvenirs.
It was known definitely that at least 51,000 people had died in the camp. The “parchment” practice — the collection of tanned skins — was initiated by the twenty-eight-year-old wife of the prison’s commander. She was an ardent athlete with a terrible mania for tattoos. Whenever a prisoner with unusual markings was brought in, she ordered the art-work removed from his body. Many of her trophies she had made into lampshades.

A five-hour roll-call starting at 3:00 a.m. was commonplace.
Recalcitrant prisoners, on winter mornings, were made to stand under hoses for hours. Or they would be tied naked to stakes and covered with honey and jam before a hive of bees was thrown on them. Bodies and parts of bodies of victims were kept in a museum for the delectation and study of their masters.
The late Harold Denny of The Jew York Times visited the camp shortly after its liberation. A veteran of two wars and a man who had traveled all over the world, Mr. Denny was not given to credulity or naivete. Yet he found himself compelled to say:
“I had not intended to write about Buchenwald, for some correspondents wrote about it when our troops first took it. By nature I am cautious about atrocity stories, and I merely wanted first-hand knowledge so that, if anyone ever asked me about German concentration camps, I could tell him the unexaggerated truth.
What I saw was so horrible that I would not have believed it if I had not seen it myself …The world must not forget such things.
Here I saw with my own eyes enough to confirm every hideous story I have ever doubted about German concentration camps.”
Mr. Denny told of the death house where hangings were conducted.
”A multiple gibbet faced a rustic settee where the SS boys could sit and sip their wine while they watched the inferior races strangle.
There was also a chute down which Jewish prisoners were dumped. At the bottom stood two SS men: one clubbed the victim while the other slipped a noose over his head. Then he was dragged to a large elevator. There were other punishments, said Mr. Denny, so depraved and so obscene that I could never tell them except to other men in whispers.”
One thing is certain: the worst savagery of the Japanese has its peer in these German camps.
A British White Paper listed many more practices that combined the ultimate refinements of physical and mental torture.

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dl ... q=chambers
Reading such obvious, perverted, deceitful nonsense, it does make one wonder what does it take for die-hard true-believers and holyH promoters to accept that these false claims in 1945 support and corroborate the view that a campaign of lies was deliberately spread immediately after the war to demonise the vanquished nation?
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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2026 7:23 pm Reading such obvious, perverted, deceitful nonsense, it does make one wonder what does it take for die-hard true-believers and holyH promoters to accept that these false claims in 1945 support and corroborate the view that a campaign of lies was deliberately spread immediately after the war to demonise the vanquished nation?
Don't you know that the simpletons who make up the vast majority of mankind are more easily fooled by big lies than small lies ? As Hitler explained in Mein Kampf when he analyzed the effectiveness of Jewish and Marxist lies, most people fall for big lies more easily than for small ones because they only tell little lies and they cannot imagine that anyone could possibly invent such enormous lies when they're told very big lies. So they believe it must be true.
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Eye of Zyclone wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2026 12:37 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Jun 27, 2026 7:23 pm Reading such obvious, perverted, deceitful nonsense, it does make one wonder what does it take for die-hard true-believers and holyH promoters to accept that these false claims in 1945 support and corroborate the view that a campaign of lies was deliberately spread immediately after the war to demonise the vanquished nation?
…the simpletons who make up the vast majority of mankind are more easily fooled by big lies than small lies. As Hitler explained in Mein Kampf… …most people fall for big lies more easily than for small ones because they [themselves] only tell little lies and they cannot imagine that anyone could possibly invent such enormous lies when they're told very big lies. So they believe it must be true.
But these non-credible, perverted and ridiculous accusations are obviously not a “big” lie.
E.g. this is not a “big” lie:
they would be tied naked to stakes and covered with honey and jam before a hive of bees was thrown on them.
Anyone who believed that prisoners were tortured and killed by this extremely expensive, wasteful (plus impractical) method — when jam and honey were luxury food items during scarcity and if the victim kept still would not be harmed — is a rather idiotic and duped ignoramus.

And I presume only someone outside of Europe (e.g. the dupes who bought this book in America and Canada) could fall for that obviously ludicrous nonsense. And that is presumably because there they had no food rationing nor were they unable to get sub-tropical fruits and sugar due to targeting of merchant shipping, so didn’t realise how brazenly they were being lied to.

But that’s just one rather exceptionally ludicrous atrocity-tale.
The rest presented there are also not credible either.

And these type of nonsense claims of Wehrmacht sadism are STILL, even now, being portrayed in popular films, TV documentaries, books, websites, etc., and are still believed and repeated by naive simpletons.
In other words the exact same mindless gullibility is widely in evidence even now.

E.g. the vast majority of people and politicians believed and repeated the FALSE jooish atrocity tales of Oct 7th.
E.g. the vast majority of people and politicians believed and repeated the FALSE narrative about 911 and the miraculously symmetrical collapse of three, steel-structured tower-block buildings at almost free-fall speed.

This naivety and trust in ‘authority’ regrettably appears to be a part of the human condition.

E.g. we currently have three people here at CODOH believing and promoting the obviously false aspects of the holyH narrative.
Two of them are clearly of low intelligence, so it is no great surprise that they can’t see through the obvious atrocity-propaganda lies upon which the holyH narrative is based.

But the third one is a highly educated person working at a University in Devon as a teacher. 🤷‍♂️

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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2026 7:24 am But these non-credible, perverted and ridiculous accusations are obviously not a “big” lie.
Aren't such blatantly false stories the essence of big lies ?


Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2026 7:24 am E.g. we currently have three people here at CODOH believing and promoting the obviously false aspects of the holyH narrative.
Two of them are clearly of low intelligence, so it is no great surprise that they can’t see through the obvious atrocity-propaganda lies upon which the holyH narrative is based.

But the third one is a highly educated person working at a University in Devon as a teacher. 🤷‍♂️
Universities are full of simpletons, especially in human science. Telling students "lies agreed upon" and tall tales is not rocket science...

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