Allied deceptions, psy-ops and atrocity propaganda.

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On July 11, 1945, two months after Germany's surrender, a colonel in the PWD (Psychological Warfare Division) by the name of H. D. Kehm (Harold David Kehm, sometimes nicknamed "Baron Kehm") wrote that a gassing atrocity story would be "valuable... for propaganda".

Why were PWD troops continuing to generate anti-German propaganda after the fight was won?

The letter, apparently sent to the office of the Army's intel chief in Europe, reads:
1. A reliable source has reported to me that Madame Schwob, nee Javal Sabine, nurse (S.B.M.), a Jewess, born 2 Feburary 1907, was confined by the Germans at Drancy (near Paris) on 20 February 1943. From Drancy she was sent to the Auschwitz concentration camp accompanying sick political prisoners, arriving there 21 November 1943. It is alleged that immediately upon arrival the prisoners and the nurse were taken to a gas chamber and put to death.

2. It is felt that if official investigation determines that the facts are as alleged, a case will be established valuable both for propaganda and for the information of our troops.

3. It is requested that this office be informed whether or not the facts are as alleged. Details are not necessarily required.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/643309520?objectPage=9
To his credit, Kehm only wanted the story used "if official investigation" confirmed its truth. This accords with what historians wrote about Kehm -- that he preferred truthful propaganda. Still, I wonder who the "reliable source" was that told him this. I see nothing to indicate the story was used, so perhaps someone judged it false or inconclusive. As it turns out, current consensus is that the nurse "died in deportation" on November 23. (See here, here, or here.)

In any case, this is one of the most frank admissions I've seen about the usage of Holocaust propaganda.
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Wetzelrad wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2026 3:03 am On July 11, 1945, two months after Germany's surrender, a colonel in the PWD (Psychological Warfare Division) by the name of H. D. Kehm (Harold David Kehm, sometimes nicknamed "Baron Kehm") wrote that a gassing atrocity story would be "valuable... for propaganda".

Why were PWD troops continuing to generate anti-German propaganda after the fight was won?

The letter, apparently sent to the office of the Army's intel chief in Europe, reads:
1. A reliable source has reported to me that Madame Schwob, nee Javal Sabine, nurse (S.B.M.), a Jewess, born 2 Feburary 1907, was confined by the Germans at Drancy (near Paris) on 20 February 1943. From Drancy she was sent to the Auschwitz concentration camp accompanying sick political prisoners, arriving there 21 November 1943. It is alleged that immediately upon arrival the prisoners and the nurse were taken to a gas chamber and put to death.

2. It is felt that if official investigation determines that the facts are as alleged, a case will be established valuable both for propaganda and for the information of our troops.

3. It is requested that this office be informed whether or not the facts are as alleged. Details are not necessarily required.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/643309520?objectPage=9
To his credit, Kehm only wanted the story used "if official investigation" confirmed its truth. This accords with what historians wrote about Kehm -- that he preferred truthful propaganda. Still, I wonder who the "reliable source" was that told him this. I see nothing to indicate the story was used, so perhaps someone judged it false or inconclusive. As it turns out, current consensus is that the nurse "died in deportation" on November 23. (See here, here, or here.)

In any case, this is one of the most frank admissions I've seen about the usage of Holocaust propaganda.
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Well, it is annoying because that file is a disorganized smattering of materials relating to war crimes but mostly unrelated to each other. It may be that there is something deeper in the pile related to this letter from Kehm, but it's too cumbersome for me to look any more than I already have.
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Wetzelrad wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2026 3:03 am On July 11, 1945, two months after Germany's surrender, a colonel in the PWD (Psychological Warfare Division) by the name of H. D. Kehm (Harold David Kehm, sometimes nicknamed "Baron Kehm") wrote that a gassing atrocity story would be "valuable... for propaganda".

Why were PWD troops continuing to generate anti-German propaganda after the fight was won?
Because the All-Lies were still busy with the denazification of Germany and shaming a vanquished enemy is a powerful weapon of mass destruction against his former leaders and a very good way of pinning the blame for the destruction caused by a war on the vanquished.

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And also because the All-Lies were determined not to go through the very unpleasant experience of the interwar years again, when they lost the fake moral high ground (and the huge benefits linked to it!) they had fabricated during the First World War. After a significant number of WW1 propaganda lies had been debunked and exposed, many people in the victorious countries felt betrayed and were of the opinion that the Great War had been a pointless carnage orchestrated by greedy capitalists and that Britain's ruling class was at least partly responsible for the outbreak and unnecessary continuation of the First World War.

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And the last but not least, because the establishment of the state of Israel was still a work in progress...

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Wetzelrad wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2026 3:03 am On July 11, 1945, two months after Germany's surrender, a colonel in the PWD (Psychological Warfare Division) by the name of H. D. Kehm (Harold David Kehm, sometimes nicknamed "Baron Kehm") wrote that a gassing atrocity story would be "valuable... for propaganda".

Why were PWD troops continuing to generate anti-German propaganda after the fight was won?

The letter, apparently sent to the office of the Army's intel chief in Europe, reads:
1. A reliable source has reported to me that Madame Schwob, nee Javal Sabine, nurse (S.B.M.), a Jewess, born 2 Feburary 1907, was confined by the Germans at Drancy (near Paris) on 20 February 1943. From Drancy she was sent to the Auschwitz concentration camp accompanying sick political prisoners, arriving there 21 November 1943. It is alleged that immediately upon arrival the prisoners and the nurse were taken to a gas chamber and put to death.

2. It is felt that if official investigation determines that the facts are as alleged, a case will be established valuable both for propaganda and for the information of our troops.

3. It is requested that this office be informed whether or not the facts are as alleged. Details are not necessarily required.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/643309520?objectPage=9
To his credit, Kehm only wanted the story used "if official investigation" confirmed its truth. This accords with what historians wrote about Kehm -- that he preferred truthful propaganda. Still, I wonder who the "reliable source" was that told him this. I see nothing to indicate the story was used, so perhaps someone judged it false or inconclusive. As it turns out, current consensus is that the nurse "died in deportation" on November 23. (See here, here, or here.)

In any case, this is one of the most frank admissions I've seen about the usage of Holocaust propaganda.
The Question is answered by American Sociologist Morris Janowitz:
https://archive.org/details/MorrisJanow ... Atrocities
...Early in the re-education of the German people the military government attempted to develop a sense of collective responsibility for results of National Socialism, especially for atrocities in concentration camps...
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Hektor wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2026 7:27 am The Question is answered by American Sociologist Morris Janowitz:
https://archive.org/details/MorrisJanow ... Atrocities
...Early in the re-education of the German people the military government attempted to develop a sense of collective responsibility for results of National Socialism, especially for atrocities in concentration camps...
Shifting the blame to your victims, the favorite trick of any wife beater in the world... ;)

And those so-called "atrocities in concentration camps" were mostly fictional atrocity stories "proven" by miscaptioned horror pictures of the big health disaster caused by the Allied "obliteration bombing" policy in the last operational concentration camps of the collapsing Third Reich.

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Making political victims from epidemic victims indeed.
That framing went on for a while already, before any discovery could be made. It's asserting guilt and then 'finding' supportive evidence.


One needs to counter this with a simple self-evident response. Elaborate explanations are ironically ignored or disbelieved. Your last image is a good start there.
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Hektor wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2026 1:06 am Making political victims from epidemic victims indeed.
A classic of atrocity propaganda. In 1915, typhus devastated Serbia. And in 1916, the London Daily Telegraph claimed that the allies of the evil Germans had just mass murdered 700,000 Serbian civilians in gas chambers. In 1942, the same newspaper simply rehashed that atrocity story.

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Hektor wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2026 1:06 am That framing went on for a while already, before any discovery could be made. It's asserting guilt and then 'finding' supportive evidence.
Preconditioning someone's mind (psychologists call it pre-suasion or priming) and then letting confirmation bias do the rest is a very effective deception technique.

Hektor wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2026 1:06 am One needs to counter this with a simple self-evident response. Elaborate explanations are ironically ignored or disbelieved. Your last image is a good start there.
Yeah, I know. Simplicity is the key to good communication. And brainwashed normies have less difficulty understanding the decontextualization and distortion of pictures when it comes to exonerating Israel. :x

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pilgrimofdark wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:58 pm
Wetzelrad wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 10:20 pm So it is apparent that the OSS's aim was not (merely) to demoralize enemies but to propagandize the public broadly.
Thanks for the OSS reminder, and the Salter reminder. I don't have the book of his yet that you cited.

Herbert Marcuse was an OSS member and integral to OSS influence on the preparation of the Nuremberg trials.
[T]his OSS grouping included a remarkable German-Jewish group of emigre research analysts, including Otto Kirchheimer, and Herbert Marcuse associated with the Frankfurt School of critical social theory. ... members of this OSS unit helped prepare the most legally innovative parts of the war crimes prosecution strategy, such as the case against Nazi organisations, and the application of the all-encompassing 'conspiracy' charges to pre-war domestic persecutions, including the Nazis' early anti-Semitic programmes. [emphasis in original]

- US Intelligence, the Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials: Seeking Accountability for Genocide and Cultural Plunder, p. 629.
I don't see this intriguing connection between the OSS, the Nuremberg trials, and the Frankfurt School mentioned often.
You are being a little sarcastic here, right?

The connection between The Fankfurt School, the OSS, the AJC and by extension the 'Nuremberg Trials' is rather well documented. And notably, it's the organisations themselves or people sympathetic to them that did do the documenting.


Frankfurt school is essentially super-rich Jews financing leftist Jews to study Marxism and Culture as to change the psyche of a society. the primary target being Germany. They did so in the 1920s, moved to the US in the 1930s and worked for OSS in the 1940s which ended in a book called "The Authoritarian Personality" - Some of them returned to Germany and pushed for reeducation there. That's what essentially resulted into their 68er movement and the 'cultural change' afterwards. Your trad socially conservative German was turned into the self-actualizer or do-gooder we know today... The Holocaust Narrative of 'German guilt' was essentially to do that collective gas-lighting.

Besides WW2 and Holocaust Revisionism that's really something warranting some more investigation.
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Hektor wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2026 4:25 pm
pilgrimofdark wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:58 pm
Wetzelrad wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 10:20 pm So it is apparent that the OSS's aim was not (merely) to demoralize enemies but to propagandize the public broadly.
Thanks for the OSS reminder, and the Salter reminder. I don't have the book of his yet that you cited.

Herbert Marcuse was an OSS member and integral to OSS influence on the preparation of the Nuremberg trials.
[T]his OSS grouping included a remarkable German-Jewish group of emigre research analysts, including Otto Kirchheimer, and Herbert Marcuse associated with the Frankfurt School of critical social theory. ... members of this OSS unit helped prepare the most legally innovative parts of the war crimes prosecution strategy, such as the case against Nazi organisations, and the application of the all-encompassing 'conspiracy' charges to pre-war domestic persecutions, including the Nazis' early anti-Semitic programmes. [emphasis in original]

- US Intelligence, the Holocaust and the Nuremberg Trials: Seeking Accountability for Genocide and Cultural Plunder, p. 629.
I don't see this intriguing connection between the OSS, the Nuremberg trials, and the Frankfurt School mentioned often.
You are being a little sarcastic here, right?

The connection between The Fankfurt School, the OSS, the AJC and by extension the 'Nuremberg Trials' is rather well documented. And notably, it's the organisations themselves or people sympathetic to them that did do the documenting.
No, although maybe more ignorant than sarcastic.

Frankfurt School -- AJC -- OSS - [by extension] - Nuremberg Trials

But it was in Salter's book that I remember first encountering a direct connection: a prominent member of the Frankfurt School working directly for the OSS on Nuremberg Trial legal strategies.

If that direct connection is mentioned in another book/article/website, I must have:
  • not read it
  • missed it
  • forgot it
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pilgrimofdark wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2026 5:14 pm
Hektor wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2026 4:25 pm
pilgrimofdark wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 11:58 pm

Thanks for the OSS reminder, and the Salter reminder. I don't have the book of his yet that you cited.

Herbert Marcuse was an OSS member and integral to OSS influence on the preparation of the Nuremberg trials.



I don't see this intriguing connection between the OSS, the Nuremberg trials, and the Frankfurt School mentioned often.
You are being a little sarcastic here, right?

The connection between The Fankfurt School, the OSS, the AJC and by extension the 'Nuremberg Trials' is rather well documented. And notably, it's the organisations themselves or people sympathetic to them that did do the documenting.
No, although maybe more ignorant than sarcastic.

Frankfurt School -- AJC -- OSS - [by extension] - Nuremberg Trials

But it was in Salter's book that I remember first encountering a direct connection: a prominent member of the Frankfurt School working directly for the OSS on Nuremberg Trial legal strategies.

If that direct connection is mentioned in another book/article/website, I must have:
  • not read it
  • missed it
  • forgot it
I'd say the connection is under studied and under emphasized.

Hector is spot on, everything was 'fascist' and 'nazi'.

The corpus is big.

Regarding direct person (a) at (x) court stuff, what you have found is an outlier. Stuff is usually much less direct.

For the uninitiated, I recommend 'The Architects of Western Decline' by Vertigo Politix to get a better understanding of the Frankfurt School.



Another one worth looking at that ties in to the 'Cultural Revolution, Community Organizing and Vatican II is 'Communism by the Back Door'. There is some overlap with Cultural Marxism and Narrative Construction.



Admittedly my post drifts the topic, but, I do like to be Johnny Appleseed with these particular presentations as I feel they are important for understanding how we got to where we are.

Oh, and, I stumbled across some reading kicking around.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/ ... school-war
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Stubble wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2026 5:48 pm
I'd say the connection is under studied and under emphasized.

Hector is spot on, everything was 'fascist' and 'nazi'.

The corpus is big.

Regarding direct person (a) at (x) court stuff, what you have found is an outlier. Stuff is usually much less direct.
Yes, exactly. I pointed out a mention of a direct connection, which I've also found to be pretty rare.

I don't think we're in disagreement on the overall connections.

And I admit that I'm often more than "a little sarcastic."

I skimmed through a couple of Kevin MacDonald's books to see if he raises the Frankfurt-OSS-Nuremberg legal theories connection, but didn't see it. And it's not on Marcuse's Wikipedia page.

Only a few mentions of Marcuse in CODOH articles.

There's also a book called Secret Reports on Nazi Germany: The Frankfurt School Contribution to the War Effort, which I hadn't heard of before (available from the usual suspects). It compiles OSS reports written by Marcuse and others. So maybe I am a little behind on this.
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pilgrimofdark wrote: Sat Jun 20, 2026 7:22 pm There's also a book called Secret Reports on Nazi Germany: The Frankfurt School Contribution to the War Effort, which I hadn't heard of before (available from the usual suspects). It compiles OSS reports written by Marcuse and others. So maybe I am a little behind on this.
Check the link at the bottom of my previous post. I got AI to kick some other sources back, I'm vetting them looking for hallucinations.

Sometimes., when you ask Ai a simple question, it stops and eat peyote buttons before it searches. Take what you get from Ai with a grain or two of salt.
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Franz Neumann appears in the declassified OSS personnel list, but Marcuse and Kirchheimer do not.
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